Nova Scotia Legislative Assembly, 21 April 1865, Nova Scotia Confederation with Canada.

FRIDAY, April 21.
The adjourned debate on the railway resolution was resumed.
Hon. ATTY. GEN. said—I do not intend to address the house at any very great length upon this question, but I cannot allow the observations of the hon. leader of the opposition to pass unanswered. This is a subject with which every gentleman in this house is so well acquainted, that I think it is hardly necessary to direct attention back for the last eleven years in order to ascertain the policy of' the house on the subject of railways. The idea of building a railroad to Annapolis dates as far back as 1854, when the country was led to believe that for a million of money they were going to have railway communication from Halifax to the Gulf of St.Lawrence on the one hand, and the waters of the Bay of Fundy on the other. In fact, in all discussions upon the subject, the people were educated up to the belief that for the small amount I have named, the points referred to could be reached. The experience of a few years, however, soon dissipated that idea; and although the policy has partially failed for want of means, yet the house remained pledged to carry on these important works so soon as the finances of the country would admit. It was, therefore, no new policy that the government introduced last year, but one that was initiated and approved of years ago. Such. then, being the case, it is not for us now to consider the correctness or incorrectness of the idea. The country at that time was divided upon the question of building railways. Some thought it inadvisable to embark in the enterprise at all; some were in favor of their being built by government; whilst others—and they formed a large section of this house and of the country —were in favor of their construction by private companies under legislative subventions. Those who were opposed altogether to railroads formed but a small class in the country, and I am happy to find that one of the representatives of that section has at length given in his adhesion to the system, and approves of their construction under the policy first inaugurated. As to whether that is the best system or not it is unnecessary to advert in the present discussion; that question was settled last year, and nothing has since occurred to alter the position of affairs. The only point, then, that now arises for consideration is the question as to whether the finances of the province are in a condition to warrant the construction of these works in the modified form proposed by the resolution now before the house.
There are many considerations to be thought of in connection with this subject, but the paramount one is to keep up the credit of the country and to maintain mviolate the good faith of the province. If we can do this, then I think we are warranted in going on with these works. In the consideration of this question I intend principally to refer to the opposition given to it by the hon. member for South Colchester (Mr. Archibald) and to the course he has thought proper to pursue; and I cannot avoid saying that the position taken by that hon. gentleman, in regard to one or two other important subjects to which he had been previously committed, has rather astonished me. In regard to the School Bill, for instance, no one was more thoroughly committed to that measure by his action last session than the hon. gentleman; in fact, he went even further than the views of the government on the subuject; while this year he has adopted a policy totally inconsistent with the course he then pursued. I think that hon. gentleman ought to have more regard for the position he occuies as leader of the opposition than to come here, as he did yesterday, and, in relation to this question, admit that he had made such gross mistakes in his calculations; and my hon. friend the Financial Secretary was quite justified in the remark that it was highly culpable in one occupying his position to found arguments upon a subject to which he confessed he had not given that consideration which its importance demanded.  He has given evidence upon other occasions, of his power to sift and analyze financial statements; and there is no doubt that, if he had had the inclination, he was quite competent to ascertain, what amount the government had in hand at PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES 289 the end of last year; In charging the government with falsifying the public accounts, he evidently tried very hard to manufacture a mountain out of a molehill. He knew very well, or ought to have known, that in the sum represented as being in the treasury at the end of the year there was not included the amount due by parties holding province notes, and those indebted to the savings' bank, amounting to over $80,000. There was no mystery about the matter. lf he had given proper attention to the subject, he would have seen that the statements he made were grossley inaccurate, and with the evidence before him, it is perfectly inexplicable to me how he could have done so.
I have taken a few notes of his speech, and shall endeavour to point out the inaccuracies with which it abounds. In the first place he assumed that it would be necessary to provide for one-half of the whole cost of the Pictou railroad this year. Now we have provided $30,000 for interest this year, which is about one-third of the interest of the whole sum required, while it is calculated that not more than a fourth will be wanted, and therefore that little over a fourth of the whole cost will be required this year. Then, again, the leader of the Opposition has undertaken to state that the St. Peter's Canal will cost at least $200,000. I am at a loss to know where he got the data for his calculations, or whether he is more qualified to judge than those who were employed for that purpose; but all I can say is that he differs widely from the engineer who was employed to survey it, and whose report is upon the table, showing the estimated cost to be at the farthest $170,000 that the specification requiring only $130,000 is the one adopted.
The hon. gentleman also referred to other public works, and put down the interest on the Pictou road at $150,000, the Moncton road at $144,000, and strange to say, although he had the same reasons for exaggeration as regards the Annapolis railroad, he had put the interest for that line down at $5,000 less that it really would be accordong to the proposals on the table. In order then to raise the amount he puts down the interest on the St. Peter's Canal, at $12,000. He has, therefore, made a mistake in his calculations of $30,000 a year in the interest on the Pictou road, and $22,000 on the Moncton road.
Now, however much we may be inclined to give the hon. gentlemen credit for skill as a financier in the case of the St. Peter's Canal, he can hardly be imagined to know more than the Engineer who bored every rod, and made his calculations from actual experiments. We are driven, therefore, to the conclusion that the hon. gentleman founded a great many of his assertions upon mere assumption, without the slightest particle of proof.
The hon. gentleman, amongst other things, alluded to the Shubenacadie Canal, and seems to have based his calculations as to the cost of St. Peter's upon the expenditure incurred upon that work. Now, we all know the history of that unfortunate canal, and the causes of its failure, but I am at a loss to perceive how any comparisons can be instituted between a work of such magnitude as that, and a canal of half a mile long. And so with the Welland Canal. Is it well known that the reason why that cost so much was because it was turned into a ship canal, instead of a boat canal, as at first intended.
The hon. leader of the opposition made another singular statement to which I shall allude for a moment. He said that the issue of debentures for the construction of the road to Moncton would depreciate the value of those already issued. How this can be I am at a loss to imagine. We all know that the debentures that are already sold have the first claim upon the revenues of the Province and take precedence over all others. How, then, can they be affected by those subsequently issued? He knows very well that a second mortgage does not take priority over the first.
The hon. gentleman said that in New Brunswick western extension received the most favor, and that no provision would be made to build their line to the borders. I tell him that the line to the borders has been secured, and that an undertaking has been entered into between the Government of New Brunswick and contractors to build their portion of the line, so soon as Nova Scotia makes arrangements to connect with it. I take it for granted the incoming Government will not repudiate the agreement of their predecessors.
The hon. gentlemen charged the Government with withholding Mr. Livesey's offer made in November, because they had an election to run in the West. I tell him that when the Government got the House to adopt this policy last year they- intended to carry it out in good faith. They felt it their duty then, as they feel it now, to get the road to Annapolis built upon the best terms they could. They have never failed to do their duty to the West, whenever the opportunity offered, and it is with that view that the present resolutions have been introduced.
The hon. member for Colchester drew a fearful picture of the ruin that was going to overwhelm the country. He said that the price of goods was going to fall to such an extent as to reduce the revenue and diminish our resources. Now, sir, I do not agree with him at all. I do not think that the fall in the price of cottons is going to have so much effect upon the revenue. For several years past the price of this article has been so great, that the majority of the people were beginning to dispense with its use, and to substitute other articles for it, so that the consumption of cotton goods has not been so great of late years as formerly. I hold, therefore, that if the price of cotton does fall, that from the increased quantity that will be imported, the amount of duties, instead of decreasing, will increase for the first year or two.
The question to be considered, however, is not so much as to the revenue of this year as to how these considerations would affect us in two years' time when this liability will accrue. It is our duty, then, to take a more expansive view of the subject, and endeavor, as far as possible, to ascertain what position we would be in, in a few years' time. If we contrast our present position with that of a few years back we have every reason to be encouraged - our revenues have trebled since the railway system has been commenced, and there is every reason to believe that with increased facilities in that respect the will continue to increase in a large ratio.
A few years ago gold was discovered in this Province, and, as was the case in most countries, it proved a bad speculation to most of those who rashly entered into it. But of late the position of affairs has changed; a number 290 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES of capitalists have come into the country, and by the application of science, and skill, and means, very (different results have been produced. Then, again, look at our coal mining interests, and the large amount of capital recently brought into the country to develop this important branch of industry. Everything in the way of capital brought into a country helps the agricultural and laboring classes and increases the general prosperity, and consequently increases the revenue.
But it is said that a commercial crisis is going to take place in the United States, and that the business of this country is in an unsettled state. If a crisis does arrive (and I see no reason to anticipate it,) we, at all events will be in a better position to meet it than a country like the United States, overhead and ears in debt. But I see no necessity for indulging in such a gloomy view of affairs. Looking at the increasing prosperity of the country, arising from the causes to which I have referred, I think there can be no doubt that we can afford to provide $313,000 for railway interest, without interfering with the ordinary services of the country. The hon. member for Colchester seemed to doubt whether the expenditure of money for railway purposes was of any benefit to a country.
Mr. ARCHIBALD—I did not say that.
Hon. ATTY. GEN—I do not wish to misrepresent the hon. gentleman, but he certainly said it was not calculated to increase the revenue. I ask him whether he was serious? Does he not know that the increased labor which the construction of these public works brings into a country necessitates the consumption of a larger quantity of articles upon which duty is levied—that in proportion to the number of the non-producing class will be the increased censumption of goods, and consequent increase of revenue. I hold, then, that the various enterprises now going on in this country are going largely to increase the importation of dutiable goods. Smuggling from the United States will be rendered impossible in consequence of the high rate of duties which will be kept upon goods in that country, and the trade will be largely with Europe for years to come, and the chances of smuggling in that proportion diminished. I, therefore, come to the conclusion that there is not the slightest grounds for the danger apprehended by the hon. leader of the Opposition as to the falling off of the revenue. He endeavored to show that we could not exect any beneficial effect upon our revenues from the construction of railroads, because during the years that the present lines were in course of construction no sensible increase was produced. But that is not a fair comparison. From 1855 to 1858 but a small section of the road was open—only about 9 miles—and it could not be expected that any advantages would be felt until the system had had a fair trial, and the people had begun to appreciate the convenience and benefits of railroad communication; still I contend that the expenditure of the money itself had a beneficial effect upon the revenues of these years.
The hon. leader of the Opposition endeavored to give as unfavorable an account as he possibly could of the present condition of our railroads, and tried to make us believe that they were nearly worn out. It is true that some portions of the road have worn, but they have been renewed, and are as good as new, and, with some trifling exceptions, it is in as good a condition as it ever was. And I have good, authority for saying that it is likely to last for eight years more with but little expense beyond a little ordinary wear and tear. The most of expense incurred for the last few years has been for fencing and renewing sleepers—the rails and chairs are as good as ever, and will last for years longer, and the rolling stock has been completely renovated. I think, then, that the facts will not bear out the hon. gentleman in the gloomy picture he has drawn.
The next thing he endeavored to do was to show that the revenue for this year would probably fall short of that of last year by 200,000 dollars. I ask him upon what foundation he rests his statement? If that be true, then the estimate laid upon the table by the Financial Secretary is erroneous, and ought not to have been adopted by the house. He begun by stating that the December quarter of 1864 was short by 63,000 dollars of the corresponding quarter of 1863, and he stated that that was the largest quarter of the year.
I find upon referring to the returns that the amount received in that quarter of 1863 was $303,123 and in 1864 $413,164. I do not know how he undertakes to make his calculations, if not by comparing one quarter with another. If he takes one month of one year and compares it with that of another, that is not the fair way of treating the subject, as the arrival of the fall or spring stocks maybe thrown into one month or another, or even into a different quarter by the accident of a few days in the date of arrival. Now sir I shall endeavour to shew that instead of their being any probability of a. falling off in 1865 there is every prospect of an increase. The December quarter which belongs to this year has produced $413,- 164, and the March quarter $129,820 making for the first half of 1865 $542,936. From that date we may fairly assume that the July and September quarters will not fall short sufficient to absorb the large surplus for the two past quarters. What ground then I ask has the hon. gentleman for assuming that there will be a decrease of $200,000, when the two first quarters show an increase of $123,793, and more than this I have the best reason for knowing that the month of April this year will show a surplus of $20,000 over that of last. Now then let anyone compare the statement of both of us, and see where the facts would place the decision . I shall now call the attention of the house for a moment to a financial statement I hold in my hand, and which I think will convince any one that we are in a good condition to undertake the construction of these works. It is well known that the road grant this year is unusually large-$264,000 while the largest regular appropriation ever before made for that service was $160,000. We can then take this $104,000 of extra grant, and still appropriate the largest sum ever given in any previous year towards the ordinary road and bridge servies of the country. We can give the usual grant for navigation securities —we can provide for the St. Peters Canal, and the extension of the Lunatic Asylum, as well as all the other public services, including the largely increased School grant, and we can provide for the railways also.
Taking then the Extra Road Grant this year- $140,000
Add Extra Grant this year for Navigation Securities................................................................. 39,000
Add Interest of Pictou Railway provided for in the Estimate........................................... 80,000
Add for increase of Revenue for the present Lines................................................................... 150,000
Add increase of Casual Revenue…............. 50,000
"   increase of General Revenue three year  hence $60,000, average annual increase... 180,000
And we have a total of $543,000
Which we may reasonably calculate to have of increase of means to meet the liabilities for the Pictou Branch and the two lines now under consideration.   The hon. leader of the opposition said that the net revenue of the railways for 1863 was $22,000, and that of 1864 only $1,000 more and he argued from that that we could not expect a larger increase. His statement only included three quarters of the past year and I have reason to know that the nett revenue will come up to $35,000 this year instead of $28,000 as stated by him. I have also abundant evidence to prove that the sum of $15,000 was expended in repairs last year which might more properly have been done this year, so that the cost of maintenance this year will be lessened bythat amount. Then again when we consider the increased accommodation that will be afforded to the travelling public by the construction of these two additional lines, and the increased traffic that will result, I think we have every reason to anticipate in three years hence a revenue of $150,000 as against the interest we will be then first called upon to pay. Then as regards the casual revenue, I think in view of the extensive mining operations in Cape Breton and elsewhere, I am largely within bounds in putting down an increase of $50,000 and double that sum would he nearer the true estimate. Now, sir, I have endeavoured to give the reason why I anticipate an increaseof the revenue, and to show that the gloomy forebodings of the hon. leader of the opposition are totally unfounded. But I shall refer him to the financial statement of his own finance minister (Mr. Annand) and show that they are directly at issue. [Mr. H. here read in corroboration of his statement.]
I shall also read an extract from the speech of that same hon. gentleman upon a different subject, (Confederation,) and although I may not approve of the object for which the calculations were used, it matters not if the figures are correct. Mr. Annand, in his speech at Temperance Hall, went into calculations to prove that we were able to build all the Railways in question without any additional taxation. After referring to statements of Mr. Jones, proving the same position, he says:
The present total Provincial expenditure under the estimate of 1864, including interest,
Amounts to............................................................. $1,222,355
Supplementary Estimate.............................................. 5,811
Pictou Railway........................................................... 120,000
Subsidy to Annapolis Railway, 60 miles, ÂŁ6000 per mile, at 4 per cent., 20 years.............. 86,800
Subsidy to Railway from Truro to N.B. Frontier, 70 miles, ÂŁ10,000 per mile at 4 per cent. 20 years............................................................ 112,000
Add for Militia....................................................... 78,000
Revenue for 1854, per Estimate........................................ $180,000
Gain on Gold fields in 1864....... 15,000
" Casual Revenue, 1864.......... 10,000
" Custom and Excise, 1864, 150,000
$1,355,000 1,355,000
Deficiency.......... $269,566
It will be perceived, then, that under our present tariff which is by far the lowest in America, at the end of the present year the revenue would be sufficient to pay the interest on the Pictou the Annapolis and the lntercolonial railway provide for every public service as liberally as in 1864 , leaving a deficiency of only $269,566 to be provided for—[cheers]. This too, is assuming that these railways were all now constructed and the entire interest on the outlay payable from the treasury. We have now in hand a sum of money sufficient to pay the entire interest on the cost, of the Pictou Railway, as well as $55,000 additional, and this derived from the increase of revenue in 1864 alone—[cheers.] But as these railways cannot possibly be all constructed in less than three years from this date, let us see how we would stand at that period. I find upon examination of the amount of revenue collected in an average of five years, from 1858 to 1863, that the mean increase yearly on the total revenue was $166,369! and that on the 10 per cent advalorem duties alone the average increase was during those five years $68,013—[cheers.] Now, sir, I might take the average of the total revenue, commencing on the 1st of January, 1865, for the next three years, at $166,369 a year; but as our revenue may fluctuate, I take the increase at the very moderate average of" $60,000, and find that in three years the increase would amount to $180,000; add increased earnings of present railways, $75,000, and we have $255,000 to meet a deficiency of $269,566; and this result, this startling and astonishing result, may be attained, let it be recollected and understood, without the imposition of one farthing additional taxation—[loud and protracted cheering.]
Now, sir, l have given my own figures as to the amount of liability we are going to assume under the resolutions before the house; and I have given the calculations of the late Fin. Sec'y (Mr. Annand,) who puts the gross amount as the interest of the lines from Truro to Pictou, and New Brunswick and the line to Annapolis down at $313,000 a your, and I have endeavoured to show, by a fair estimate of our probable increased revenue in three years hence, amounting to $543,000, that that liability is within the compass of our resources, and will not infringe unnecessarily upon any ordinary public service.
This no doubt is an important question and it is the duty of every one to give it an attentive consideration. I have endeavoured to deal with it to the best of my judgment, and if I have made any mistakes in my calculations I am ready to correct them if any one can detect them. I think that this question ought not to be postponed any longer; it is of the utmost importance to this country that we should connect our Railway system with that of New Brunswick, and thus be brought into connection with the United States and Canada. By this route we could go to Montreal as quickly as by the Intercolonial Railway, the only difference being that in the one case, we would travel wholly through our own territory; with this connection complete the great object would be attained of making Halifax the nearest stopping place for all steamers from Europe. Passengers for Canada and the United States, after a long sea voyage would prefer taking rail for their various destinations, rather than embark again by steamer. Besides all this we must consider the immense amount of traffic which would be brought from Prince Edward Island; Cape Breton, and the Eastern Counties; and also from Cumberland and the neigbouring Province. Then again the Annapolis road will be the means of diverting trade which now finds its outlet at St. John, and will open up all the rich agricultural counties between Windsor and Annapolis. The hon. gentleman concluded by alluding to the advantages de 292 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES rived from railway extension, as a means of bringing the people into closer communication with, each other, and of liberalizing their minds by intercourse with the people of other countries.
Mr. LONGLEY said that at that hour of the evening, and at that late period of the session, he supposed gentlemen would prefer going to their homes rather than listen to anything he might have to say; but he felt that he would not be doing justice to his own feelings and to the position he occupied, if he failed to make a few observations upon the subject under discussion. The desirability of extending railway communication east and west had always been admitted, and it was only a question of time as to when it should be undertaken. He had turned his attention to the subject, and he was prepared to show that the country was in a better position at present to undertake railway extension to both the New Brunswick border and Annapolis, than she was in 1855, when the railway system was inaugurated. At that time the entire revenue did not exceed ÂŁ130,000, while last year it was ÂŁ330,000. If any gentleman would take the trouble to make the calculation, he would see that we are in a better position to pay the interest upon the cost of the whole undertaking contemplated by the resolution before the house. than we were to pay ÂŁ60,000 a year in 1855. He had the figures before him, the accuracy of which could not be disputed, and to which he would shortly refer. He estimated the revenue in 1855 to have been ÂŁ130,000, and the amount of railway debt then incurred at ÂŁ60,000 a year. Now it did not require much argument to prove that we could better afford to pay ÂŁ150,000 with our present revenue, than ÂŁ60,000 with the revenue of 1855.
What would be the amount of our liability after the whole works had been constructed? He put down the cost of the Pictou extension at £30,000 a year; the extension to the borders of New Brunswick as £30,000 more; the road to Annapolis at £22,000—£142,000 a year in all, including £60,000 which we now pay, or £11,000 a year less in proportion as compared by the burden borne by the revenue of 1855.
There were various other considerations that should not be lost sight of in the discussion of this question. There were various incidental advantages which the country derived from the construction of railroads which could not be estimated in figures—such as the stimulus given to trade, an the development of our resources induced by the increased facilities those works afforded. But without referring more particularly to these at present, he would endeavor to show how the amount of annual interest the Province would have to pay was going to be gradually reduced by the earnings of the road.
He estimated the net revenue of the road this year at, $12,000, that deducted from the whole liability would leave ÂŁ130,000 annual interest to be paid. When the Pictou line was opened, of course the paying qualities of the road between Truro and Halifax would be proportionately increased, and he thought that he would be safe in putting that down at 2 per cent. in addition to present receipts, or ÂŁ12,000 more, reducing interest to ÂŁ118,000. Then he assumed that the tenth section of: the Pictou line -between Fisher's Grant and the coal fields would not be in operation a single year without Paying working expenses and 6 per cent interest besides; That reduces the entire amount of interest to ÂŁ112,000 a year. He calculated that when the entire lines were completed, at the expiration of five years, they would pay at least three per cent. over and above working expenses. These calculations have reference to construction of the whole by Government. It must not be forgotten that in proportion as the lines were extended so would the traffic increase with very little additional cost. The annual interest will then be reduced in five years after the whole railway system has been completed to ÂŁ71,000, or only about ÂŁ10,000 a year more than the present liability.
The hon. member for Halifax alluded to the indirect advantages which a country derives from railroads. He (Mr. L.) had taken pains to make some calculations on that point, and he thought that they would be borne out by the facts.
The net receipts from the railroads last year amounted to nearly £9,000. He would pause for a moment, to contrast the position of railway matters in New Brunswick with these pf this country. That Province, with a' population much less than ours, owes about a million of dollars more than we do; and then it should not be forgotten that her tariff is 15 1/2 per cent, while ours is only 10—being a difference of more than 50 per cent. The receipts from their road, he regretted to say, had fallen off this year; while our passenger traffic had increased 13,000, with corresponding receipts in traffic department; and there was every reason to anticipate a larger revenue this year, from the increased mining operations in Cape Breton and other parts of the Province. He would turn for a moment to some calculations he had made, based upon the working of the road in 1863, and he thought that they would hear the strictest scrutiny. He found in that year that 110,137 persons had been carried over the road, and most of these from extreme points, so that he would be safe in putting down the time and cost of travel saved to these persons at a dollar a head;
That would amount to  $110,137
There was carried over the road 56,471 tons of freight, saving per ton, $2, 112,942
9,640 horses, at a saving of $1 each, 9,640
5,462 head of horned cattle, at a saving of $1.50 each, 8,193
19,970 sheep and lambs, at a saving of 20 cents each, 3,994
2,309 calves and pigs, at a saving of 30 cents each. 0,692
Gain by rendering valuable what would, be otherwise useless, 40,000
ÂŁ71,399, or $285,598
Making the indirect gain of ÂŁ10,000 more than the interest now paid.
In making these statements he knew that he should be met by his opponents with the taunt that all this was very different from the views and opinions he formerly held. He was prepared to admit that his views on this sub ect had undergone some change. He thought then that it was a serious undertaking to pledge the revenues of the Province to the extent of £60,000 a year; but now, as we had become involved in these great public works, it was to the interests of the people to go on steadily increasing them east and west. until the system had become perfected and placed in a position PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES293 to be remunerative. That must be done, either by the Government or by the aid of capitalists from abroad.  
It seemed to him now as it did last winter, that if we could secure the extension of the road to Annapolis by an annual subvention of but little more than £20,000, it would be to the   interest of the Province to do so. He thought that the west was fairly entitled to this consideration. The members for that section of the Province had always aided the Eastern members in their public works, and he had no hesitation in saying that the vote given by them last session for the Pictou railroad had not received that consideration it deserved. He thought that the true policy had been adopted, then of securing the trade of Prince Edward Island and the eastern part of the Province. For the same reasons as to means of making the roads more remunerative, he justified the present extension, and he thought he had shewn by figures that challenged investigation, that it was clearly within our means to go on with these works. The hon. gentleman then alluded to the great saving in the way of time and freight which this road would afford to the farmers or the west. Now, by the pre"sent road it cost $1,20 a hundred weight for truckage from Windsor to Annapolis, whereas it could be taken by rail for 25c., thus saving $19 a ton, and there was also time saved, as he had shewn, so that in every shape the question was viewed, whether as regards the direct or indirect advantages, it must be looked upon as a great boon to the country. He had made a few calculations of the position of railway affairs in other countries. He found that the State of Massachusetts, with a. population of about 1 ,400 ,000, had about the same number of miles of railway, or about a mile to every 1000 of population, and their railway debt is about $55 per head, while ours, estimating our population at 250,000, does not exceed $18 per head, or about one-third as much in proportion as Massachusetts.
I have made a few estimates of the probable cost and advantages of the Annapolis railway:
Cost of railway to Annapolis, 30 miles, at ÂŁ6000 per mile........................................................ ÂŁ480,000
Interest at 4 per cent ............ 19,200
Cost of bridging the Avon ÂŁ40 ,000- interest at 5 per cent ......... 2,000
Probable returns:
Population of Kings, Annapolis, Digby and Yarmouth say ........................................... 70,000
Assume that one-half the population of these counties travel over the road once a year, and the gain to each $2 ...................... ÂŁ17,500
Assume 12,000 tons of freight annually, at a gain of $2 per ton .................................... 6,000
Here we have more than the annual cost of interest at once; but these are far from being all the advantages that will result. Let us enquire the present cost of getting to Halifax, say from the centre of Annapolis, and as the distance is extended the gain is increased:
Fare by coach to Windsor, say.................................... $5,00
By rail................................................................................... 1.35
Time consumed 4 days a $1 per day........................ .. 4 00
Expenses while absent, $1.............................................. 4.00
$14. 35
With the railway to Annapolis completed, how would it stand?
Fare per rail, say.. ...................................... $3.00
Two days consumed, a $l ..... .................... 2.00
Expenses per day, $1 .. .… . .. ................... 2 00
 $7 000
Gain to each person passing over the line $7.35 The above are given as approximate calculations and results, but they cannot be regarded as extravagant.
The hon. gentleman concluded by saying that he would not weary the House by any further remarks at that late period of the session. He was convinced that in proposing this extension, the Government were acting for the best interests of the country and in accordance with sound policy, and he should vote for the resolution before the House.
Mr. MACDONNELL said that he felt called upon to make a few observations after the remarks that had fallen from the member for Annapolis, who had just addressed the house. That hon. gentleman had called upon the members for the Eastern part of the Province to assist him in carrying this scheme, on the grounds that the Western members had aided in passing the Pictou railroad bill. He (Mr. McD.) could not agree to the question being put on that plea. He had always, upon every occasion when he had expressed an opinion, denied that the East had derived any more advantage from the Pictou railroad than the West. When the distance of the Counties of Cape Breton from the present termini of the railroads was considered, it would be seen that they derived no more direct benefit than the Western Counties. He was sorry, then, to find this cry of last session reiterated— that the East alone was going to be benefitted by the Pictou railroad. It could have no other effect than to produce sectional jealousies, which in a question of this kind should be kept out of sight. If this policy of railway extension was sound, it should stand upon its own merits, and be justified upon provincial grounds, and not as being of advantage, to any particular locality. As regards the resolution upon the table, he would say that if it went no further than to authorize the construction of the line to the borders of New Brunswick, he should have supported it, because he believed that that extension would be of great benefit to the whole Province; but he could not see what advantage would flow from the Annapolis line. It could not be said that it was for the purpose of obtaining the trade of New Brunswick, because that would be accomplished by the construction of the Trunk line, and the one would only interfere with the other. He should be compelled, then, h to vote against the resolution in its present shape. After a deliberate revision of the financial condition of the country, he had arrived at the conclusion, that it would be unwise to undertake the construction of both lines at the present time. It was true that a resolution of a somewhat similar character had received his support last year; but in voting for it then, he had been actuated principally by a desire to secure the construction of the line to the borders, and with no idea that the Annapolis road would become a reality. He was rather surprised to hear some of the arguments used by the member for Annapolis, He commenced by comparing the state of our finances now with their position in 294 PARLAMENTARY DEBATES. 1855, and gave the railroads the credit for all the improvements; but he forgot that the ad valorem duties then were only five per cent and now they are ten. And then, again, he calculated that the Annapolis road would pay three per cent.; but he also forgot that'it would be in the hands of a company, and that they would receive the benefit, if any. He would not detain the house at any greater length, but he felt that from the course he had previously taken he could not give a silent vote.
Mr. CHURCHILL said that he would have been better pleased if this resolution of the Government had gone further, and authorized these two branches to be immediately put under contract. It was quite time that the iron road should traverse the fertile vales of Kings and Hauts; and he could not see how any financial considerations should deter the Government from at once prosecuting this work to a conclusion. The country was in want of increased accommodation in the way of paper currency, and he did not see why a few hundred thousand pounds more of paper could not be easily floated. It would accommodate the public, and could be floated without any detriment to the public credit. The hon. gentleman alluded to his recent visit to the United States, and the advantages he had witnessed there from railway extension. He trusted that the resolutions now on the table would receive the unanimous approval of gentlemen on both sides; and the Government would be prepared to presecute the work with energy and vigor.
Mr. C.J. CAMPBELL said that be admired the consistency of the Atty; Genl., although he 'could not commend his advocacy of the proposed policy. He found that the present railway yielded about half per cent on their cost, leaving the province to bear the remaining five and a half per cent. He contended that the increase of our taxation was injurious to the best interests of the country, and that the improvement of the localities through which the existing lines ran was not so great as had been represented. He read from a speech delivered last session by Mr. Churchill, (in which that gentleman said that our railways were as a millstone about our neck), as a contrast to the speech delivered last evening. He concurred in these sentiments; he believed that the extension would benefit only Halifax, and could not advance the interests of Cape Breton. He denounced the policy of exacting so large an an amount of royalty from our'mines, and said that the sum received from that source should not be confidently reckoned on.
Mr. LOCKE said that they had arrived at that period of the session when short speeches were necessary and he should not therefore detain the house more than a few moments. From the time of the first inception of the railway system in 1851 up to last session, he had always advocated the construction of those public works. At that time he was obliged to vote against the extension to Pictou because he thought that it would interfere with the larger scheme of an intercolonial railroad, and that both of them could not be undertaken at the same time." The same reason would compel him now to vote against the present resolution, because he did not believe that the finances ofthe country would admit of extension east and west at the same time. He believed that if both these lines are undertaken it will involve an annual liability of $600,000 and he contended that the Province was not in a position to bear that. It was beginningto be admitted now that the estimate, he had made last year of the cost of the Pictou line, which he had put down at between ÂŁ600,000 and ÂŁ700.000 would not be far out of the way. He should oppose this proposition to engage in any new undertaking until the Pictou road was completed, because he thought it would not be done without breaking faith with either the east or the west. He disapproved of accepting the offer of Mr. Livesey, because we would bein the position of having; placed one portion of our lines under the contract of a company while the rest would be under the management of the government.
He doubted very much the correctness of the anticipations of the hon. Fin. Sec. as to the increase of the revenue. Every one who knew any thing about trade, knew that this quarter exhibited the largest returns, and it afforded no criterion for the rest of the year. He would find that the importations next quarter would fall ten per cent. short of this; and there would be a large decrease in the amount collected for ad valorem duties. He believed that if the Province was able to construct these roads under the scheme proposed, it would be only under great difficulties, and not without seriously embarrassing the resources for a long time to come; He did not think that the Government should force this measure through at that time, but should agree to the proposition to wait for a twelvemonth, until the Pictou road was finished, and they would be able to see how the revenue stood. He concluded by expressing his hope that the Government would not press the measure, when it was manifestly against the wishes of many gentlemen in the house, some of whom had always been the strongest supporters of railway extension.
Mr. CHURCHILL, in alluding to the remarks made by the member for Victoria, in which he had quoted a speech made by him on a previous occasion, complained that he omitted the latter portion of it, which explained his meaning. When he said that the railroad debt was like a millstone round our necks, he meant that it was like any other debt, an encumbrance to us. But he did not mean that. that was any reason why we should not engage   in the construction of these works. He had always been an advocate of progress, and any one acquainted with his past history knew that he had always endeavored to do his utmost to develope the resources of his native Province.    
Mr. STEWART CAMPBELL said that he felt a reluctance at that late period of the session to trouble the House with remarks upon any question, but in a matter of such importance as this he could not content himself with giving a silent vote. At an early period of his legislative career he had committed himself to the policy of railway construction by government, and he was happy to say that that policy had resulted beneficially to the country He observed with pleasure that the example set by this small colony was about to be followed by the parent state, and that in that country the question was now being considered as to whether it would not be advisable to take the control of the railways out of the hands of private companies, and place it with PARLAMENTARY DEBATES 295 the government. He was disposed to object to this resolution because it departed from the policy adopted by the government when the system was inaugurated in times gone by, and he thought that this was aview of the subject which deserved consideration. They had only to look back for a short period and see what had taken place in Canada in order to appreciate the effects of placing the control of the public works of a country in the hands of large and influential corporations. He objected then to the scheme because it would introduce into this country something of the same kind. The effect of this subvention of these two lines of railroad would be that the coompany receiving it would necessarily be brought into close connection with the government of the day, and to a large extent would be subordinate to them and under their influence.
These lines of railroad would run through various counties of the province -Colchester, Pictou and Cumberland on the-one hand, and Hants, Kings and Annapolis on the other. - They all knew then how many representatives would be directly interested in their construction- no less a number than sixteen would be more or less interested in their completion. He would ask then whether it would conduce to the best interests of the country, or the independence of the legislature, that so 1arge a proportion of the people's representatives should be in a position to be influenced by the companies who would receive this subvention, and who, again, must necessarily be so closely connected with the government of lthe day. He had listened with great interest to the financial picture of the affairs of this country, so ably drawn by the hon. leader of the opposition, and he thought that the house would agree with him that there was no gentleman in that house or the country whose opinions were more entitled to respect upon questions of finance than that hon. gentleman. The hon. Provincial Secretary had on some occasions been rather severe upon the hon. member for Colchester, as regards his skill as a financier; but from what had taken place recently between them upon another. question of great public împortance, he thought. that he was not in a position to question his accuracy now. He did not wish to make any invidious comparisons between the leader of the opposition and the present Financial Secretary as regards their financial capacity but as one was comparatively new to the businees and the other had; made it his study fonyears, it followed that he must necessarily have more acquaintance with the subject, and his opinions were therefore entitled to greater weight.
The member for Colchestor had rereferred to the past financial position, of this country, and to our prospects for the future, and he had called upon the hon. members for Halifax and Richmond to dispute the position he took. The hon. member for Halifax (Mr. Tobin) had since addressed the house, but he had not ventured to controvert the assertion he made, that the present was not the time to embark in these works. The member for Richmond (Mr. LeVesconte) had not yet spoken but, from what had fallen from him on a previous occasion, when the sale of provincial debentures was under consideration, he did not think that he would be inclined to disagree with the opinions of that hon. gentleman. On a previous occasion the hon. Prov; Secy. in , reference to the fisheries said that his (Mr. C.'s) constituents had better look round, and find some representative better acquainted with trade and commerce than he was. He thought that he had better apply his. remarks to his own government and to his financial Secy., and get somebody more conversant with the intricacies of finance than that honourable gentleman from. his previous training could be expected to be. He thought that it was a lamentable defect in the composition of the present executive that it did not posses a single individual amongst its members in any way identified with the trade or commerce of the country. He may be told that there was one gentleman who had formerly been engaged in trade, but from what he knew of that gentleman's connection with the late government he did not think that his judgment approved of entering upon the scheme of railway extension now proposed altho' from his being a member of the government he was to a certatin extent committed to it. lt was well known that the government; was principally if not entirely carried on by the two or three members of it who sat at the table of that house, and that in point of fact they were the real dictators of the affairs of this country. He could easily fancy then how the opinions of the hon. gentleman to whom he had alluded would be set on one side and everything would be made subservient to the political necessities of those who held seats in that house.
Reference had been made to the time when railroads were first commenced in this country, and to the fact that our revenues then comparatively insignificant. That, no doubt, was the fact; but it must not be forgotten, that our obligations were also much less ready assumed including the Pictou line, amount" to something like four-fifths of the entire revenue of 1851; but it seems that this oad is not enough for Nova Scotia to bear and we must add this additional burden for the construction of branch lines to Annapolis and, the borders of New Brunswick, which will make the entire amount to be borne by the revenues of the Province about $500,000 a year. Now blue nose was a very good natured fellow, no doubt, but it does not do to push a willing horse too far; and he cautioned hon. gentlemen how they committed themselves to a scheme which was going to entail such heavy burdens upon the people. He had no wish to condemn railroards in the abstract; he believed that when a man had plenty of money, he had a right to spend it as he pleased ; but where a person is only possesed of limited means, he stands in a different position, and should only spend his money upon necessaries, and not upon luxuries. That was just the position the province was in. Railroads, no doubt, were a great convenience, but if they could only be obtained by the sacrifice"; of other important interests, they should be left alone.
The government should make themselves acquainted with the wants and necessities of the country before they talk about every service being properly provided for. He should like to take some of them over some of the roads in the county he represented, and show them the inconveniences under which the people labored, and the grievances which he had so often and so unsuccessfully brought to their 296 PARLAMENTARY DEBATES notice; and he thought that they would come back with their views considerably changed.
(The hon. gentleman referred to a case of a petition he had presented to the government, signed by hundreds of influential persons in his county, asking for aid to an important public road, but which was refused any consideration at all. So indignant was one gentleman at the treatment they had receive, that he offered to lend ÂŁ700 himself to carry on the work which it was the duty of the government to construct.) This was only one of many instances, in which the government had turned a deaf ear to the wants of the county of Guysborough. How then could he justify himself to his constituents, if he voted for these resolutions?
The hon. member for Hants (Mr. Chuchill) had exhibited himself on the previous evening in rather an extraordinary attitude, but it appeared that there weresome favored ones in that house who could do as they chose provided they gave the government a vote. That hon. gentleman had thought proper to absent himself for the greater part of the session from his duties, first at his own home and afterwards in a neighbouring country, attending to his private interests. Whether that was a proper course for a representive to take was exceedingly questionable; and now he comes back and undertakes to impute motives to hon. gentlemen for the course pursued by them on this question. He thought that when it was considered that this railroad would for a long distance go through the. county that: hon. gentleman represented, and that large sum of money would be spent at his very door, that the less he challenged the motives of others the better.
He trusted that in the opposition he was obliged to give to this measure that factious motives would not be imputed to him. He had only to point to the couse he pursued last session—on the Pictou railroad—to shew that he was not influenced by any factious spirit. It was then in the power of the opposition, if they had had the desire, to have seriously embarrassed the government on that question. He had, however. taken a higher view of the question, and had supported that measure although Pictou was not a bit nearer to him than Annapolis or Windsor. He hoped, therefore, that the government would not attribute to him any motives of that description.
At that late period of the session he would not detain the house at any greater length. The hon. gentleman concluded by deprecating any immediate action in the way of incurring any further liability. He was afraid it would have the effect of depreciating the value of the debentures already issued. He appealed to gentlemen on both sides of the house, to the supporters of the government; as well as their opponents, not to he influenced by a mere desire for a party triumph in voting for a resolution which he believed on sober reflection they would find to be detrimental to the best interests of the country.
MR. KILLAM alluded to the offer of the International Contract Company, and compared, it with the terms oifered by the resolution of last session. He remarked that the question stood in quite another position from what it did in the previous Session. In proposing to place the work in the hands of a company, the government must have placed very little confidence in their own officers, for the Commissioner of Railways had given to the House as his opinion that in a few years the road would pay three per cent above its working expenses ; if that were correct the best course would be for the government itself to undertake the construction. He said that the terms of the offer were entirely altered, and it would therefore be perfectly consistent in the House to reject the resolution. The determination of the government seemed to be to keep themselves afloat, whatever became of the country.
Hon. Mr. MCFARLANE replied to a remark of Mr. Killam. He said that four different surveys of routes had been made, but the route was to be finally selected by the government, acting under the advice of the very able engineer now in their employ.
Mr. ARCHIBALD contended that to give to the government the discretion proposed by the resolution would. be to hand over to them the entire control of the public chest. So great had been the mystification of figures on the question that the member for Halifax, although a merchant, had made a mistake in stating the public debt, to the extentof two million of dollars, a sum sufficient to build the Pictou railway. He had a great appreciation of the value of railways, and he hoped that the time had arrived when we could connect our road with the other lines of the continent ; but the circumstances which had exhibited themselves in the trade of the country had convinced him that our prospects were not so good as to warrant us in increasing the large liability that would be necessary to carry on even that work. He was greatly pleased to find that our present railways had not only become able to pay their working expenses, but had commenced to yield something towards the interest. There was, however, one important circumstance which had been left out of consideration,—in nearly all railways the duration of the iron was estimated at eight years, and the companies made a practice et setting aside a certain sum every year to, meet the cost of renewing. Our road was not as much worked as others and might be expected to last 16 years, 8 of which had already expired, and, he found that the cost of replacing the line, after deducting the value of the old iron would be $4,000 per mile, in addition to $400 per mile for labour, making a total for the work of $431,000, so that we ought at present to be setting aside for that service aboutt $53,800 a year. The remarks of the Commissioner of Railways had given him no little amusement, That gentleman had previously assigned railways to not very complimentary company, but now, with the ardor which always characterized one newly converted from a heathen to a saint, was outstripping in his zeal those who had been trained for a lifetime to the policy to which he had been converted.
Mr. Archibald, after some further remarks moved the following amendment :—
"Whereas—The location of the Pictou Railway has added largely to the length of the road contem'plated to be constructed by the Railway bill last year ; and whereas in view of the heavy liabilities PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES. 297 which the construction of that work will entail, and the paramount necessity at the present exigency of preserving the public credit unimpaired, it is desirable not to enter at present any new Railway enterprises.
Therefore Resolved—That this house is of opinion , that beyond the completion of the Picton Railway no additional railway liability should be gone on with by the government untill the House is enabled, at its next session, to pass an opinion on its necesity."
HON PROV. SEC. said that he admired the pluck which the leader of the opposition shewed in dancing on nothing after the platform had been taken from under him by the Financial Secretary and Attorney General. The attitude of that gentleman was only suitable for one who had opposed railway construction from the first. The government on this occasion proposed no new policy, but merely asked the House to extend to the amount of ÂŁ5100 the terms of last year. It was not the first time that the cry "one year more" had been heard. It was raised at the time when our delegates had obtained for us the most favourable terms in connection with our mines and minerals, and if the pressure had then been yielded to a monopoly would still have controlled the resources which now enrich the country. The proposed expenditure for a connection with the European and North American line would be only ÂŁ53,000, while the former government had passed an act offering ÂŁ50,000 for our share of the Intercolonial road, an undertaking with infinitely less paying qualities than the other, and that too without giving us a line to the fertile West, or to the neighbouring Provinces. He then referred to the arguments advanced by Mr. Killam.
Mr. Archibald's amendment was lost 27 to 19. For—Heffernan, Ross, Killam, Hatfield, Parker, Ray, McLellan, Miller, Roberston, McDonnell, C J. Campbell, Blackwood, Archibald, Blanchard, Locke, Caldwell, Balcam, Annand.
Against-Donkin, Shannon, McFarlane, Fin. Secretary, Bill, Longley, Bill, Atty General E. L. Brown, McKay, More, Juo Campbell, Lawrence, Pryor, Whitman, D. Fraser, Kaulback Hamilton, Tobin, Jost, Bourinot, J. Fraser, Churchill, LeVesconte, Prov. Secretary. Mckinnon, Robicheau.
Mr. Miller then moved the following resolution:—"That in the opinion of this House, it is expedient to define with accuracy the nature and extent of the subvention to be given towards the construction of lines of Railway to New Brunswich and Annapolis, and not leave the same to be gathered from proposals which are capable of misrepresentation, and have been so differently interpreted in the discussion on the resolution before the House.
Mr. Miller explained that the resolution he had read had been handed him by the hon. member for Colchester. He had framed himself one similar to it, with the intention of moving it.
HON. ATTY. GENERAL said that the Government intended bringing in a bill, defining the powers to be given under the original resolution. The present amendment was a direct insult to the Government.
Mr. Archibald said that it was only due to the House that the resolution to beadopted should be definite in its character.
HON. PROV. SEC. said that this resolution was altogether unnecessary, after the explanations that had been given by the Government, that it was intended to submit a bill, distinctly defining the powers that were to be given to them in connection with this question, He challenged the hon. leader of the opposition to produce a precedent where the Government had been treated as on the present occasion.
The amendment was lost by 28 to 18.
For-E. Brown, Heffernan, Ross, Hatfield, Parker, Ray, Killam, McLellan, Miller, Robertson, McDonnell, Archibald, S. Campbell, Blackwood, Blanchard, Locke, Annand, Balcom.
Against—Pryor, Juo Campbell, C J. Campbell, Atty. Gen., McKay, Moore, Shannon, Lawrence, Donkin, Whitman, Longley, D. Fraser, Kaulback, Hamilton, Tobin, Jost, Bourinot, J. Fraser, Churchill, LeVesconte, McFarlane, Robicheau, Calwell, Fin. Secretary.
The original resolution then passed by a vote of 28 to 18.
The House adjourned at about half-past 12.


HON.PROV. SEC. moved that the adjourned debate on the Union of the Colonies be resumed.
Mr. ARCHIBALD said—At this late period the session, it is impossible to resume the debate on this question without wearing the patience of the House on all sides. The Supreme Court meets here next Tuesday, and the legal gentlemen in this House have necessarily much to occupy their attention. Besides nothing practical can grow out of this discussion. The House are already committed by the resolution of last year to a Union of the Maritime Provinces, and the on y difficulty that may prevent gentlemen agreeing to the present resolution is its preamble. I therefore rise to suggest to the Provincial Secretary, whether he would not be willing to withdraw this preamble, which is a matter of no importance.
HON.PROV. SEC.—My colleagues and myself, entirely concur in the opinion that it is very desirable that the House should preserve the same attitude it assumed last session in reference to a Union of the Maritime Provinces. I think it is only justice to the delegates from these Provinces to say that it was not their fault that the Conference held under the resolution of last session had not a different result. It is only fair that I should also say that I am now much less sanguine than I was last year of any practical result growing out of this resolution. It is a secret no where, that as far as the Island of Prince Edward is concerned, they have decided to have nothing to do with anybody under any circumstances, nad to remain in their present isolated condition. Since I addressed the House on the last occasion I notice that two prominent members of the New Brunswick Government have pledged themselves against a Legislative Union of the Maritime Provinces. It will be our duty, however, to ascertain the feelings of the Government of that Pro 298 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES vince on the subject, and to bring it to a termination. I can but add, that, if removing the preamble to this resolution will enable the House to come to the some unanimous conclusion they did last year, I will cheerfully consent to the proposition made by my hon. friend opposite
Mr. ANNAND.— I am glad the Prov. Secy. has made the announcement he has, that he will withdraw the preamble. This portion of the resolution was distasteful to many gentlemen, and prevented them assuming the same position they did last year. It is apparent that the proposed Union with New Brunswick cannot possibly be consummated — a union I heartily desire — and it would, be therefore, useless at the present stage of the session, to proceed any further with the matter.
Hon. ATTORNEY GENERAL— I have come to the conclusion that I will not have the pleasure of addressing the House, for the reasons given by the gentlemen who have spoken. There is now a considerable amount of business that must be transacted without delay. I have no hesitation in saying that if the course now suggested is not adopted, the House must be delayed at least a fort- night longer. I have reluctantly yielded to the suggestion to close the debate. I have listened with a great deal of attention, to the gentlemen who have spoken on this subject, and I certainly must say, that I had hoped to have been able to reply to their observations. I have not yet had an opportunity of fully expressing my opinions as one of the delegates. I did not consider that it was necessary for me at the outset of this debate to address the House, but allowed gentlemen to procede me. I must congratulate gentlemen in the Opposition on this question, that they have had an opportunity of fully explaining their views, and placing them before the country to an extent that the friends of Confederation have not. Looking, however, at the time that must be occupied if the debate is continued, and the delay of public business that must result, I have waived my own feelings in the matter.
Mr. TOBIN. — Whilst I am not going to oppose the resolution, I must express my conviction that a Union of the Maritime Provinces cannot bring with it any positive advantages. There is very little trade and business between Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. We can never gain nationality by means of such a Union. I am quite Sure, too, that New Brunswick has no desire whatever to unite with us. I firmly believe, if we cannot be united to a large country like Canada, it is better for us to remain as we are. I expressed the same opinions last year, and I see no reasons now for changing them.
Mr. S. McDONNELL—I must confess that I vote for the resolution with no little reluctance. That the time of the House would be wasted in the discussion of this question, I do not believe. A question that has engaged the attention of so many prominent public men in these Provinces, and has agitated the public mind to so large an extent, is   surely worth a few day's debate. The country has expected that every man would express his opinion on the subject In view, however, of the desire of the House to bring the discussion to a close, and of the fact that the Prov. Secy. has consented to withdraw the preamble, I shall agree to allow the resolution to pass without making any further observations
Mr. MILLER —I feel just as reluctant as other gentlemen, to allow the question to pass without expressing my views, especially after the position which I occupied last year, and have since taken in reference to it. However, I heartily concur with gentlemen as to the necessity of saving the public time. Besides the debate would not really elicit much new information, for nearly all the facts connected with it have already  been put before the country. I don't desire to divide the House on the resolution, but I wish it to be understood distinctly that I am not at all committed to it. I entertain views similar to those expressed by the hon. member for Halifax (Mr. Tobin,) respecting a Union ot the Maritime Provinces. If I have any desire for a Union it is for the larger one. The opinions I held last year I hold now. My opposition has not been to the Union' in the abstract but to the terms on which it was secured. I defy any one to find a passage in anything I have said since last session, which proves that I am opposed to a Union on fair and equitable terms.
Hon. FIN. SEC.—Any one must see that that if this debate were continued, we must be here a good many days longer. I take it for granted that every gentlemen in this House will feel that he should give his constituents the benefit of the views he entertains, and define the position which he occupies, but that he can do equally as well when he visits his county.
Mr. S. CAMPBELL—As I have offered no remarks upon the question during the debate which has ensued, I now rise to make a speech. It will be a very short one; it is that the question be now put
The resolution then passed as amended without a division.
[The remaining days, till the prorogation. were taken up with merely routine business, summaries of which have already appeared in the city papers-Reporter]


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