Legislative Assembly of Prince Edward Island, 29 April 1873, Prince Edward Island Confederation with Canada.


TUESDAY, April 29th.

Mr. LAIRD, according to notice on the Order Book, asked whether Hon. W. H. Pope was empowered directly, or indirectly, to negociate with the government of Canada for Better Terms.
Hon. LEADER OF THE GOVERNMENT answered that Hon. W. H. Pope had no authority either directly or indirectly from the Government of this Colony to negociate with the Dominion government for better terms, and that he had no communication with him on the matter.


On motion of the hon. Leader of the Government the House resumed the consideration of the Despatches relating to Confederation.
Hon. Mr. Lefurgy ‚ÄĒI will make a ¬† few remarks to refute the inconsistent statements of the hon. junior member for Belfast, particularly those charging the Coalition Government with passing over several of the tenders for the Trunk Line of Railway and unwarrantably giving the contract to Messrs. Schreiber and Burpee. When the late government let the Branch Lines, they passed over the Tender of Mr. Finlay McNeil], which was much lower than any they received, and over several others never consulting any of the gentlemen who tendered for the work, and gave the contract to Messrs. Schrieber and Burpee at a price of $1.000 per mile over that of the Trunk Line. Now, I contend that those contractors could afford to have taken the Branch Contract at a lower rate than the Trunk Line: but it appeared they were privileged by the late government, and allowed to draw the whole of the debentures due them on the Trunk Line as the work proceeded, instead of only ninety per cent according to the original contract. This was nothing less than a compromise. The hon. junior member for Belfast considered that the Branch contract was let at a cheaper rate than the trunk line. I differ from him, and can show that the Branch Line is by far the higher contract when the nature of the country, &c., is considered. Notwithstanding all the charges made by members of the late government against their predecessors, in reference to letting the trunk contract to an alleged Ring, they themselves let the Branch contract to the same parties. Our local men should have received due consideration instead of being unceremoniously thrown overboard as they were, in this case. I do not blame the contractors in the least, for they had a perfect right to attend to their own interests, but I blame the late government for not protecting the interests of their country, as they should have done. When the Coalition government went out of power, they were charged by the hon. junior member for Belfast and his friends with having ruined the country by undertaking the construction of the trunk line; but when he and his party got into power they went to work and changed two of the stations at an enormous expense, to satisfy a few interested friends, thus showing their insincerity in their charges of extravagance. The hon. member and his friends in the late government made numberless charges against their predecessors in reference to curves in the line, spruce sleepers, stumps in the road, wire fence, &c., and an investigation of these matters having been called for, two competent engineers were employed, who after a thorough inspection, and survey, sent in their Report. This report stated that the road was properly staked out and all the work upon it thoroughly and satisfactorily done; but the report was kept locked up for several months instead of being published for the information of the people, who were really interested in the result of that investigation. Instead of being sorry for the false charges they had made, and honestly confessing that they had done wrong, the hon. member for Belfast and his party still vainly tried to defend their course, and to condemn the Coalition Government; but their charges now fall harmless to the ground. Several hon. members of this House were at the last election returned to support Confederation, but it was different with myself and hon. colleague as we were pledged in a great measure against it. Many objections have, from time to time been made against me, because I am a Confederate, but I promised my constituents 1873 PARLIAMERTARY REPORTER. 77 at the two former elections that I would not vote for Confederation without their consent. When contesting the late election, my hon. colleague and I were pledged to get. better terms if possible; but I stated that if better terms could not be obtained. I would accept the present terms. The late government did not give the people the information necessary to enable them to form a correct opinion upon the question they were called upon to decide. It is true they did issue a supplementary Gazette on the 15th March last, containing garbled statements, but the next 'issue contained nothing at all about the subject. The next numberof the Gazette containing the official announcement of the terms did not reach the people generally, till after the election was over so that during the contest, the people were without reliable information upon the question before the country. It is unfair, therefore, for the present opposition to charge hon. members on this side of the House with having acted inconsistently, as we really had no terms before us at the late election. Last night the hon. jun. member for Belfast stated that the Dominion tariff was as high as 13 1/2 per cent in 1870, and that it is now down to 9 1/2 per cent, showing a reduction of four per cent; but he forgot to tell us how the Revenue is raised in Canada. We know that many large items for which we pay from the Treasury are there paid for by local taxation. In my opinion we may float along for a few years by accepting the present terms but we will be forced to resort to heavy local taxation before long, to supply our requirements, as they are continually increasing. According to the hon. member's mode of reasoning, l do not wonder he does not want better terms ; if I could see through his glasses, I would also be satisfied with the present terms ; but I cannot see the matter in the light he does. It now appears clear that whether we accept Confederation or not, we will be taxed, and therefore, the best we can do is to choose the least of two evils. When the resolution in favor of the appointment of another Delegation is submitted, I am prepared to vote for it, as I believe we shall receiv√© still more liberal terms. I cannot see why the Opposition will not join hands with the government in this matter, and thus strengthen their hands in obtaining the best possible terms, before accepting Confederation. The hon. junior member for Belfast said that perhaps some little matters might be conceded to this delegation. Well, several small things put together may be of great importance to this little Colony. The hon. member mentioned the Summerside light-house and the the Tignish Breakwater among those items, and as if not worth attention from the Dominion. Several ot such items put together make a large and important matter, well worthy of consideration and an effort on our part to obtain compensation. New Brunswick once thought she had very good terms, but she is now very much dissatisfied with them. and is asking for Better Terms. Now is the time for us to obtain our rights at the hands of the Dominion, as we shall be almost powerless after we enter, to obtain anything in addition. We have good reason for asking better terms, as we have greater claims than any of the other Colonies on account of our isolated position and having no public lands, minerals or timber to fall back upon. Although Messrs. Laird and Haythorne deserve credit for the terms now before us, this should not prevent us from making as good a bargain as we can. As those hon. gentlemen were elected Anti-Confederates, they should have called the Legislature together before constituting themselves into a Delegation to seek terms of Union with Canada. They had no right to go upon that Delegation before calling a session of the House. If the Legisla 78 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 1873 ture had been convened for two or three weeks and consulted in reference to this matter, the late government would have acted wisely, and would perhaps have many in their ranks to-day who are now on this side of the House. Although the late Delegates obtained very liberal concessions, they are not thereby exonerated from blame. The country has been taken by surprise on this question, and the consequence is, that many of the districts are still strongly Anti-Confederate. I consider that the present state of our finances and our public credit requires every representative to act for the best interests of the country, and I do not see anything left us but to accept the terms we now have, if, after making every effort, we cannot get better terms. The credit of the country has been so much injured abroad, that it will be almost impossible to restore it, and additional taxes would, at present, be very, obnoxious to the people generally. The hon. junior member for Belfast stated this morning that our duty upon liquors should be raised till equal to that of the Dominion ; but last night he stated that the Dominion Tariff was much lower than ours. Now I cannot understand that mode of reasoning: if our tariff is much higher than theirs, why should we raise it to make it equal ?: Under our present circumstances, I see nothing left us but to accept Confed¬Ľ eration. I stated at last election, that if I found that the credit of the country could not be maintained, I should endeavor to get better terms, and if these could be got I would accept the terms now before us. I shall, therefore, vote for sending a Delegation to seek Better Terms.
Mr: Sinclair.‚ÄĒIn addressing you on this great question I shall endeavour. more particularly to reply to the Speech made by the hon. Leader of the Government last night. One of his principal arguments was that it was all on account of the bad legislation of the late government during the past year that we are now forced to seek admission into the Dominion of Canada, that there was; extravagance in every branch of the publie service, and that if they had managed the affairs of the country as well as the Coalition had, we would not be in the position we are in today. Now, I maintain that this Colony was brought into its present position by the action of the Coalition Government in passing the Railway ¬† Bill: His honor the Leader of the Government was then clearly told by the members of the Opposition what the result of the passing of that measure would be, and if hon. members will take the trouble to turn up the speeches on the Railway Question in the Parliamentary Reporter of 1871, they will find the protests of the 0pposition as clearly set forth as if now delivered. No government could carry on the affairs of the country satisfactorily for any length of time with our present Revenue and send out of the country the interest of our Railway debt, in gold. The late government has been blamed for passing the Branches without making any provision for their construction. Now those Branches were the result of the action of the Coalition Government, as, at the opening of the six days' session, they brought down in the Speech, a paragraph promising their immediate construction. But :as they were then in a minority, they did not succeed in even getting a committee appointed to prepare the Draft Address in Reply to the Speech with which the Session was opened. The House was then dissolved and we all went to the people at the polls on that question. The result. was that four members were returned pledged to go for the party that would go for the Branch lines and without whom it was impossible to form a government, so that we had either to promise to construct the Branches or allow the then hon. Leader. of the 1873 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 79 Opposition to form a government with these hon. members. If we had done the latter, we need never have gone to our ¬† constituents as candidates for ¬† Legislative honors again. There was nothing left us, therefore, but to undertake the construction of the Branches. As a dissolution at that time could not be obtained, we stated, that the present session would be ample time to make provision for the construction of the Branch lines, and this is now found to be the case, for there has not been a single debenture yet issued for that purpose. The late government found that the remittance of a sufficient sum of money to London to pay the interest on the Debentures was more than the country could stand, and it was ascertained that before another twelve months rolled round, we should be paying interest on no less a sum than 3 1/4 millions of dollars on account of the construction of the Railway and Branches. That amount will all have to be provided for this Session if we do not enter the Dominion. To cover the interest of that vast Railway debt, we would require to make an annual remittance of $195,000 in gold; to London. We then took into consideration the returns of the railroad &c.. and found that it would cost from $50,000 to $100,000 a year more than the total amount of its earnings. If the hon. Leader of the Government is not satisfied with the present terms, and wishes to have'the Railroad back, that we may work it ourselves, I have not the least doubt the Dominion Government will be willing to give it to us on that condition. But reckless as the present government are, I do not believe they want the Railway back, as they could hardly get a party to stick to them if they undertook to work the Railroad at the expense of this Colony. No man who deserves the name of a statesman would attempt to levy taxation for any purpose before it is required. As far as the survey of the Branch lines was concern 1873 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 79 ed, there was suffiicient money raised by the increase on the duties on liquors to pay its whole cost. The western Branch was reckoned from the first, to be between 12 or 15 miles in length and the eastern one between 35 or 40 miles, both altogether making about 50 miles. There has been no imposition practised by the late government in the House in reference to the length of the road, as it is now found after the line is surveyed that the total length is a trifle less than fifty miles. This clearly proves the benefit of having the line surveyed and located before letting the contract. When the Bill for constructing the Trunk line was introduced, some hon. members of the government said the length of the road would be 120 miles and other said it would be 125 miles, but after allowing the contractors to make their own survey the length was greatly increased. I was accused of being the cause of making one curve in the line. I did use my influence to bring the road to Kensington, but I did not ask to have it turned right back again to Bedeque. I think the people of Kensington may thank the hon. member for Indian River for getting the line ¬† brought to that place, and not me, as I had no influence with the government. It was the pressure brought to bear upon the hon. Leader of the Government by his own friends and supporters that was the means of bringing the line to Kensington. The road leaves ¬† that place at almost a right angle, and it is owing to those twists and crooks that it is now 147 1/2 miles in length,or 30 miles longer than the distance mentioned in the advertisement. By surveying the Branches, before letting the contract, we calculated that we saved about ten miles of road, instead of following the course pursued by the Coalition Government. The American Engineers have not cleared the Coalition from all blame. They cleared the Contractors and the Engineers by declaring that the work was well done 80 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 1873 but they said that the manner in which the contract was let was the cause of the whole blunder, and that if it had been let in the United States instead of on this Island, we would have been worse bitten than we are. The hon. member for Summerside (Mr. Lefurgy) stated that the change of Summerside Station cost $100,000. Now it did not cost the country half that amount, as the whole cost was only $40,000. The Railway Commissioners valued the Land damages of both lines and reported to the government that the front line, or the one now adopted, would be the cheaper one. No one but an extreme political partizan would disapprove of the change of that Station. The hon. Leader of the Government declared that in Charlottetown the Railway should run along the heads of all the wharves. If so, why should the same rule not be applied to Summerside also ? The members of the late government consulted Messrs. Boyd and Gregory who said that branches to stations were always objectionable, and if possible should be avoided. If ground can be obtained at the head of the Railway Wharf the Station should, by all means, be placed there. We asked Mr. Boyd, Engineer, how it would answer to fill up the flat on the shore at the head of the wharf, for a station ground, and he said it was the proper place for it, that he had never recommended the upper station, but had laid it off by order of the Coalition Government. The Contractors, at first, wanted $80,000 for changing that branch, but they afterwards came down to $40,000, and will, I believe, require every dollar of that sum to carry out the change. If the Railway is to do any good to Summerside, the line at present adopted is in all respects the proper one, as the people there will reap a double amount of benefit from it, compared with the one first laid of. In changing the Alberton Station, we acted on the same principle. I was one of those appoint ed to report on that Station, and in company with four Engineers went up to see it. The hon. member for Alberton maintained that the place pointed out as the ground for the Station, was not the place at all but that the site was down below his fence. But Mr. Ball said that it was the place he laid off, Mr. Howlan then offered us a place below that spot, and afterwards offered us a site in front of his farm, which was low ground and would require to be filled up eight feet deep which he offered to do. We told him we did not like that place for we found that if filled up with earth it would require an expensive culvert. On examining, we found that the best site for that station was Hickey's field ; but Mr. Bell had nothing to say about it. The people will be the judges whether we have acted impartially or not. Let the government change the Summerside Station and see what public opinion on the matter will be. The hon. Leader of the government wanted to make out that the branches to Souris and Tignish cost $1000 per mile more than the trunk line ; but he did not take into account the fact that there are several very expensive Bridges on the former lines which would cost more than the amount, and that the country will have to pay for no more miles than was mentioned in the Branch Bill. We had several offers to construct those lines, but would not accept such as that of Mr. McNeill of Summerside. If the late government had accepted that gentleman's tender, I would not attempt to stand here and justify their action, for the tender was not worthy of an honest man. The first part of the work was marked on that tender three times too high and the last part to be performed only one-seventh of the amount stated on the other tenders. After the first part of the work was finished, he could have walked off with a handsome profit, and at a great loss to the country, after paying the 1873 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 81 amount for which he gave security, as the government were bound to advance money according to the tender on the work performed. No government would be justified in accepting such a tender. The hon. Leader of the government charged the late government with extravagance in constructing bridges at Rustico, Clifton, &c. We received from this House, last year, a vote of $87,855 for the Board of Works, $32,000 of which was for general contracts of Roads, Bridges, Wharves, &c., and the balance for Colonial Building Light Houses, &c. We left the present government, after all our expenditure, the sum of $30,000 to begin with. The grand cause of all our present difficulties was the construction of the Railway, which was undertaken against the wishes of three-fourths of the people of this country. Those districts through which the Railway does not pass, put in claims for local wants which could not be overlooked by any government, and in several cases backed up their petitioners with large amounts. The inhabitants of Clifton, Rustico and Victoria, in particular, contributed freely in aid of their several works. Those contracts have not injured the country to the extent of a single dollar, as the expenditure did not exceed the amount voted for Public Works. The Board of Works, on the whole, did not exceed by $2000 or $3000 the amount voted by the House, last session. The Treasury was in as good state when the late rovernment resigned as it was when they received the reins of power.¬† The Railway undertaking has brought the country into its present position, and the government are now obliged to adopt our policy and to run in the very same groove, step by step. With all their opposition to the course we adopted, they are compelled to swallow our policy, and now tell the people that they cannot avoid their present course. The amount of money in the Treasury when we came into power was $23,000 I do not know what amount there is in the Treasury at present, but I know that we remitted 30,000 to London to meet the interest on the Debentures, due about the last of June. The hon. Leader of the Government asks why we borrowed money from a New Brunswick Bank and allowed so much money to be idle in London. We found that if we drew the whole amount from the Banks in sterling exchange at once, we should cripple them and thus injure the trade of the country. The President of one of the Banks spoke to us about this matter and told us to begin early to prepare to meet the interest on the Debentures, and we did so. We commenced about the beginning of March, and as a result there is now ¬£6000 sterling in London, to meet the liabilities of the Colony. I did not imagine so many hon. members on the government side of the House would have swallowed the leek at once, as they did, when so many of them ran their election against Confederation. They have, by their action, admitted that the course pursued by the late government was the only proper one, and that they must follow it. The hon. Leader of the government stated that ours was a dash-away-policy, but he has followed it in every respect. The present government party got hold of a letter which I wrote to Mr. Lawson of the Summerside Progress, and published a garbled extract from it ; but if they had published the whole of it as it was written, it would have condemned them most clearly. Mr. Lawson asked me what position the Colony was in, and I wrote and told him my private opinion in reference to it, and stated that there were hon. gentlemen in the country whose policy was to dash away, levy taxation and ruin the colony. I am not ashamed of a single syllable contained in that letter, and would be glad to see it published, as I wrote it ; but I would feel ashamed if I had treat
ed any man's letter as they have done mine. Let them produce the original letter, and I will publish it. The hon. Leader of the government stated that the terms now offercd us by the Dominion are not equal to those of 1869, andthat he was the means of procuring the $800,000 for the purchase of our lands. .Now, it is rather unfair for him to lay claim to that honor; the hon. George ¬† Coles was the first who claimed a sufficient amount for the purchase of our lands, at the Quebec Conference; but we never had a guarantee from the Dominion that it would be granted till 1869. The Better Terms amounted to only $25 per head of our population while the present terms amounted to $45 per head as our assumed public debt. We can draw from the Dominion Treasury to the full amount of our assumed debt at any time after going into Confederation. During the first twelve months after we join the Dominion, we shall-be able to draw the interest on the unpaid amount of the sum to be paid for our railway, to the contractors, which will. amount to $75,000. This sum will be sufficient to build three new jails. and a Court House, The late government have been charged. with extravagance in their Railway expenditure. Let us look at. the two, administrations, viz, the late government and the Coalition. The latter levied 2 1/2 per cent taxation to pay the interest on the Debentures; but how did they ¬† use the amount thus obtained, viz ¬£18,800? They used that money tor general purposes contrary to the Revenue Act and expended more. than the amount of the whole Revenue‚ÄĒin fact, they.ran the Colony about ¬£7,000 in debt. The next year, we had the management of public affairs, and raised the whole of the revenue raised from the 2 1/2 per cent for Railway interest, and more also, for the very legitimate purpose for which it was levied. We also paid¬† $20,000 for the Worrel Estate, $6000 for new cent coinage, &c. If we take these extraordinary expenditures out ¬† of the total outlay, we will find the latter very considerably reduced. The Revenue for last year was $895,478.03 and the ordinary expenditure $385, 881. 38. ¬†
Hon. Leader of the Government- The new cent coin was bought and paid for before the late government came into power.
Mr. Sinclair‚ÄĒBut it was charged against last year. I stated at the time the 2 1/2 per cent was added to the Tariff that the money arising from it would be required to meet the ordinary expenditure of the Colony, and it has turned out just as I predicted, for the Coalition government used the Railway monies for other purposes than that provided. for in the Revenue Act. The expenditure of the Coalition exceeded the Revenue by about $80,000, while the ordinary expenditure of the. late government was $5000 less than the ordinary revenue. It is clearly to be seen that the present Revenue of the Colony is not more than sufficient to meet our ordinary expenditure, leaving the Railway out of the question altogether. The late government found that the sum arising from the 2 1/2 per cent was required for ordinary wants, and that the whole of the Rail¬Ľ way expenditure would have to be met in some other way. When we consider the fact that about $200.000 in gold must be remitted to Landon. annually to meet the interest on the. Debentures, we can see at a glance: that the Colony cannot long maintain. its present financial position, and that we must look for assistance to some other quarter. How could we remit that large sum in gold, without crippling the commerce of the country? This is the grand question. The floating capital of the colony could never stand the immense drain upon it. At the end of ten years we shall 1873 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 83 have remitted in all, no less than $2,000,000,in gold. It is ridiculous to think that the country could stand it. I had reason to think that when the Railway Bill was passed, the Coalition knew the consequences. of their act. If the hon. Leader of the Government can get better terms, I will not object to his trying to obtain them,but I will object to tampering with the best interests of the country. I suppose the government think they have gone far enough in their change of base on Confederation, and that they must at least test the question whether they can obtain better' terms or not. If'they are forced to take the present terms at last, there will be no alternative but to accept them, just as they are. It'they wish our support, they should let us know upon what basis they intend to put in their claims for better terms. The only plea yet put forth by them is that we want a little more, so that we may conclude that they intend to adopt the begging system. If so, they should show how we have been neglected, and also that we have not received as good terms as the other Provinces. Unless they can do this, they will inevitably come short in their claims. I should not like to see this Colony placed in a mere begging position. The hon. Leader of the government has shown that we have a right to receive from the Dominion the sums. expended on certain Light Houses, Drill Sheds and Bar¬Ľ racks.. .Well, I think it would be a. credit to him to get the money expended by him, in.building the Barracks, and that he has the best right to do so.. These buildings cost the country ¬£12,000, and if he can get it back from the Dominion, it will be a creditable act. The Drill Sheds are useful for our annual Exhibitions, and Canada does not care a rap for them. The telegraph line along the line of Railway will belong to the Dominion, and cannot be used for any other than Railway purposes, as it would interfere with the interests and rights of the Telegraph Company. It would be good financial policy to buy out the claims of the Company as they have offered to sell. This a certain quantity of land to which they are entitled, which they have never yet claimed, and as land is now getting very valuable, should they come forward and demand it, it will cost the local parliament a considerable sum to procure it: The trifling claim for light houses, barracks, &c, is a poor basis to argue upon for better terms, but the purchase of the rights of the Telegraph Company would be a wise measure. Several hon. members on the government side of the House were elected as Anti- Confederates, and will therefore pursue a dishonorable course in turning in favor of Confederation now. They charged us with proving untrue to the country in sending the Delegation to Ottawa without calling the Legislature together ; but, I believe we acted for the best interests of the country in doing as we did. considering the .condition in which the Colony was placed. If the country had first been appealed to, the government of Canada might have been informed of the critical position in which we are placed, and the delegates might not have been able to secure the liberal terms we now have. Suppose we had convened the Legislature before the delegates were appointed, what would the then Leader of the Opposition havesaid? We would probably have been told that we should have accepted he invitation to . send a Delegation, as the House did not know how to grapple with the papers and correspondence laid: before them. When the country was appealed to on the question, the most intelligent districts on the Island declared that the ¬† late government had taken a consistent course, and sustained their policy. The district which I represent is the most populous on the Island, as well as one of the most intelligent, and yet my constituents never questioned
the consistency of the course I followed as a member of the late government on this question of Confederation. I only hope the present government will be as consistent in their actions as we were. They are in a better position to negotiate with Canada than we were. As the House gives them the power to close I wish the new delegation success, and hope they are not going to spend $1,200 or $1,500 merely for the sake of testing the terme we now have, and that it is not their intention to get some trifling alterations made and then to come back and say they have obtained better terms. His Honor the Leader of the Government is, I believe the ablest financier on the other side of the House, and yet the only argument he adduces in favor of better terms, is based on the begging principle. Instead of their being a balance against the local government, under Confederation, there will be a   balance in their favor, at the end of the financial year. If we claim several thousand dollars more than we have a   right to, the politicians of the other provinces will put in similar claims as they will be justly entitled to the same. We shall have our share of the 14 millions now to be distributed among the lower provinces, and of all their expenditures for great public works for many years to come, and therefore have been very liberally dealt with. The other Provinces handed over their Light Houses to the Dominion government without receiving one cent for them; how then can it be shown that we have any right to receive remuneration for ours? If the hon. Leader of the Government can show that we have not, in the present terms, received what is our due, I will support him in sending another delegation to Ottawa, but so far he has failed to do so. I would go for making our expenditure for local legislation as light as possible and believe that by proper economy the present terms will meet our wants for many years, without resorting to additional local taxation. The time will. come when local taxation will have to be resorted to; but it need not be for several years to come unless some unusual expenditure is undertaken. Looking at the terms before us, I believe the best course we can pursue is to accept them, in order to assist the onward progress of the country and prevent it from getting into financial difficulties.
House adjourned for one hour.

                  TUESDAY, April 29th.

Debate on Confederation resumed

Mr. T. KELLY.‚ÄĒMr. Speaker. in rising to offer a few remarks, I may state that I have listened with pleasure to the speeches of hon. members on both sides, who have preceded me in this debate. They have. displayed ability and research, to the exclusion of that bitterness, which party feeling too frequently calls forth. Undoubtedly sir, it is one of the most momentous questions which can occupy our atten. tion, inasmuch as it will effect the general interests of ourselves and our children for ages to come. In the language of a brilliant writer I may say that " as we are British subjects the least considerable amongst us has an interest equal in principle to the the country, and is equally called upon to make a contribution in support of them, whether it be by the heart to conceive, the understanding to direct or the head to control." (Applause) Such sir, is the-spirit which I deem it my duty to- cultivate when considering the subject now before us. I have carefully thought the matter over and intend supporting the motion under consideration, and will support confederation from no party stand point of view, inasmuch under our present circumstances, that course is unavoidable.Unquestionably circumstances now 1873 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 85 combine to render this course a matter of necessity, rather than one of choice. Who are to blame for this unfortunate state of affairs, I will not undertake to say. But this I do say, the time has arrived when it will have to be taken hold of and dealt with, entirely upon its merits. Reference, however, has been made to parties, and statements have been made by hon. members opposite, which do not agree. For instance. the hon. member, the Leader of the Opposition said yesterday, quite posi- ¬† tively, that the late Government was defeated in consequence of their Confederation policy, while the hon. member for New London said it was the School Question. Now which of these two statements are correct? Upon which can the country place reliance? The hon. member for New London referred also to the alteration of the Railway Station at Summerside, and said the change was rendered necessary in order that the bulk of country people might be better accommodated than they could be, had no change been made. He said also, that not one-fourth of the people, interested in the site of the station, were in favor of removing it from where it now is. Well time will tell. The people are moving in the matter on both sides, and when the petition comes in, I think it will be seen that the body of the people will be in favor of removing it from where it is at present. The hon. member asserted further, that when a few of the business men of Summerside last year wished to retain the Station where it had been formerly placed, there were very few who supported them in the movement. In connection with that I remember an incident which also occurred the same time. Mr. Robert Holman, who, in all probability, knew the intentions of the Government in the matter, offered some lots of land for sale, near to or immediately opposite the Station ground, where it was then supposed so be, and in consequence obtained good prices for them. Believing that the Station was to be there, it added a fictitious value to the property, which was used to the damage of the purchasers. A few days however after this sale took ¬† place, an order was made in Council changing the Station. The hon. mem- ¬† ber referred also to Mr. McNeill's Tender. I think it would be difficult to justify the manner in which the late Government disposed of that matter. When Mr. O'Brien's Tender for the main line was before Mr. Pope's Government, notwithstanding the time allowed, many of the party supporting the late Government went so far as to argue that the Legislature should have been called together to consider, if not his. at least the Tender of Mr. Walker. But when the same men were in power they did not give Mr. McNeilI and some others who had sent in Tenders an opportunity to alter or amend their proposals: No, not to the extent of one minute of time. Surely they might have given Mr. McNeill at least one hour to amend or alter his Tender, or at least to communicate with him on the subJect. They did not do so, but havmg allowed the last day and hour to expire, they opened the last Tender; and, in point of fact, actually received a new Tender after they opened Mr. Schrieber's. Yet these are the men who complained so loudly because ¬† Mr. O'Brien had not more time given to him, although three or four weeks were spent in negotiation and consultation with that gentleman. They have endeavored to show that that the Legislature could not have been called together before the matter of Confed- ¬† eration had been considered by the Govvernment. Permit me to say, Sir, that it is a generally acknowledged and admitted fact in politics, ¬† that when the Leader of a. Government makes a public declaration respecting any public question, that he reflects ¬† 86 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 1873 the opinion of his party: Well, Hon. Mr. Haythorne held the position of Prime Minister, and he publicly declared he would make no new movement in that direction, without consulting his constituents. So that in that respect he has been derelict in his duty, and false to his public promise. But says the hon. member, as early as last autumn I made up my mind that Confederation was inevitable. Now I would ask the hon. member, the Leader of the Opposition, if he made up his mind that such a course was inevitable last fall, how can he now say there was not time enough to have called the Legislature together? If it was a matter of duty as well as of opinion with the Government, then they should have also deemed it their duty,‚ÄĒif they had not time to meet with the Legislature,‚ÄĒto have consulted at least with their supporters. And having not done so, they, as a party, have left themselves open to blame; and ,as might be expected, have justly forfeited the confidence of the country.
Hon. B. Davies‚ÄĒMr. Spcaker, the question before this hon. House is whether we shall consent to send another delegation to Ottawa. or accept the Terms brought down by Messrs. Laird and Haythorne? But the hon. member for Summerside has not said whether he will accept of these or look for better. I think the hon. Leader of the Government, or some of his friends, should have shown upon what grounds they expect to obtain better terms than those now offered. When asked for explanations on this point, hon. members on the Government side are unable to make any reply. Am I to understand that they are unable to make any reply to a question so reasonable, and one which they should answer? The hon. member referred to some land ,which was sold in Summerside.
Mr. T KELLY‚ÄĒI said I believed Mr. Holman was aware at the time that a change was to be made in the Station, but sold it to those who purchased, as if no alteration was to be made, which gave a fictitious value to the lots sold.
Hon. B. Davies‚ÄĒI think in that respect the hon. member is astray in his opinions. With regard to the question before us, I think the whole matter has been ably and satisfactorily dealt with by the hon. member, the Leader of the Opposition, and, therefore, I shall but briefly refer to a few points which have been but slightly noticed. The hon. member, (Mr. Laird) very properly said, and as ably proved, that unless we can lay down a principle as a basis upon which to found a claim for any better Terms, it will be but a mere waste of time to send another delegation to Ottawa, and I do not see that we can show that we have any claim which has been overlooked by the hon. member and his co-delegate. We cannot go, and, without any show of reason, ask for concessions to which we are not entitled. They allow us to phce our indebtedness at $45, a head, which is in excess of what we owe, and stipulate to grant us $800,000 to buy out the remaining proprietors. And as for the hon. member, the Leader of the Govemment, he, by his negotiations with the Canadian delegates at the Alexandra Hotel, has forever debarred himself from asking for, or obtaining any better Terms. For he then said he would recommend that proposal to the people of this Island. Therefore, it will be an act of folly on the part of the hon. member to go now, in the face of what he then did. Again,there is danger in reopening thc question, lest that in doing so we may lose what is now within our reach. The Canadian Ministry may withdraw a portion of what is now offered. My hon. colleague has satisfactorily shown, that 1873 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 87 the people in the other Provinces resort to local taxation for internal improvements. Itis unreasonable, therefore, to suppose that concessions will be made to us for purposes which are not provided for in any of the Provinces by the General Government. The hon. Mr. Pope said that the properties taken for Railway purposes were over valued 100 per cent. Now as chief man of the Railway Commissioners, in reply to that statement, I have simply to say, that the Commissioners who acted under the Government of the hon. member, when they were in office, valued forty properties taken for Railway purposes, situated in Charlottetown, Georgetown and Alberton, with lands adjoining, including Station grounds, at $68,000. The present Commissioners examined seven hundred claims, which include several Stations, and for compensation have allowed nearly $120,000. So that the former Government gave more than half the amount to forty of their friends, which the late Government allowed for seven hundred claims. Therefore, I think the hon. member has been misinformed on the subject, or he would not have made the statements he did. Now let us consider the position we are in, or would be in, if the Railroad was now completed and in working order. The interest on $3,250,000 or the cost of construction at 6 per cent would be
Premium on remittance say   2 percent, 3,900
Estimated annual working     expenses and repairs   for first five years, at $800 a mile, would     amount to 160,000
Which, when added, brings up our annual expenditure for Railway purposes to $358,900
Now I contend that this Island will not supply: trade enough to raise anything like this amount, Tbe probable receipts would be say:‚ÄĒ
200 passengers travelling       daily 20 miles at 2 1/2    cents per mile would     yield an annual return of $30,000
Freight might probably yield        annually 30,000
¬† This would leave $298,900 to be provided for out of the general revenue for interest and other debts on the Railway. But suppose, for argument sake, he allows that the earnings of the road would be three times the amount I have placed it at‚ÄĒwhIch even Mr. Boyd himself does not admit‚ÄĒstill the drain upon the Colony for exchange to pay the interest abroad, would bring ruin upon the mercantile and other interests generally of the Colony. Our taxes would have to be increased to a large extent, and this, I believe, the people are not willing we should do. I am desirous, therefore, that this House should immediately accept the terms offered, without losing any more time about it. The hon. gentlemen who were willing to accept the Quebec terms, and the better terms of 1869, have no just reason for refusing the reasonable terms offered now for our acceptance. No doubt the hon. member, the Leader of the Government, wishes to adopt a course which he ¬† may regard as his own. still I do not believe the hon. member will insist upon sending up another delegation. He knows were he to do so, he would meet with a defeat, and perhaps lose the confidence of the House.
Hon. Mr. HOWLAN.‚ÄĒMr. Speaker, The question is whether we shall accept the terms brought down by Messrs. Laird and Hawthorne, or appoint another delegation, and seek for better? In so far as this discussion has proceeded, it is clear that to some 88 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 1873 extent, at least, one side has been labouring to make a scapegoat of the other. In order to see where the truth lies in this matter, Mrs. Speaker, it will perhaps be as well to investigate the matter somewhat closely. It is said that the public affairs of the Colony are in as good a position now as they were when Mr. Pope's Government went out of power. Statements of this kind are easily made and circulated, but when made in this hon. House, where we have access to proof lying in the archives of the public offices, we have it in our power to examine whether they are correct or incorrect. I have publicly stated that the Finances of the Colony are not in as healthy a state as they were when the Coalition Government went out of power. When I made that statement I was sure I was correct. Since then I have examined into the matter, and find that such is the case. I have drawn out a comparative statement of the public assets in the Treasury, on changes of Government in the years 1872 and 1873, which is copied from the Auditor's certificate.
Balance on hand as follows:- 1872 1873
Land Assessment, $2,086,05 $3,782,70
Of surplus money from Land Assessment sales, 789,71 789,71
$2,875,76 $4,572,41
Then we have cash in the Bank of P.E. Island, $10,251,11 $7,026,99
Then we have cash in the Union Bank, 5,096,03 3,591,61
Then we have cash in the Merchant's Bank, 7,522,47 9,058,74
$22,869,61 $19,677,34
Cash Balance in hand of Treasurer for payment of School Masters, under Act 33, Vic. cap. 11, $1,080,92 $1,163,55
1872 1873
A recapitulation of which is Cash in Treasury, $2,875,76 $4,572,41
Cash in Banks, 22,869,61 19,677,34
School money in hand, 1,080,92 1,163,55
26,826,29 25,413,30
Showing a cash balance of $1,412,99 in favour of Mr. Pope's Government, as audited on change of administration in each year. Then again we have the matter of Warrants on the 31st January, 1872, the Warrants afloat in round numbers amounted to $71,527. At the same date in 1873, viz: January 31st, there were Warrants afloat amounting to $115,799; showing that in one year the late Government added $44,272 to the debt of the country in the extra number of Warrants they issued. While the Warrants afloat, when Mr. Pope went out of power, amounted to $71,527, yet the issue of these ran over from the year 1840 to that of 1871; many of which, no doubt, would have been called in had he reamined in office. But the late Government have added to our debt $44,172 by fresh issues in one year. This, I contend, is a bad policy. to have our paper afloat at an interest of 6 per cent when there was no occasion for it, was a foolish policy for any men calling themselves statesmen and financiers to adopt. They say they have placed to the credit of the Island, in London, £6,000; but how did they 1873 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 89 obtain this? Money does not fall down at our feet like rain or snow; nor is it likely they had any more facilities for obtaining money than were common to other Governments. The Government of Mr. Pope as they obtained cash in the treasury at all available for such a purpose, used it for paying off the Warrants that were out as they called them in, and in this way would soon have had none afloat at all! But the wise financiers of the late Government take £ 6,000 and send it to London, there to lie for six months without yielding any interest while they continue to issue fresh Warrants. Yet such wa sthe statesmanship which seemed to have been pursued with the obvious intention of forcing Confederation upon us by bringing odium upon our public securities. The hon. member, the Leader, of the Opposition said last night, that he did not blame the contractors. This is a strange assertion for the hon member to make now. Why, Sir, last year I could scarcely mention the name of these gentlemen to any one who was a subscriber to his paper.Now the man who derided them last year, who persuaded the people, by means of what was written, published and said, that they were hardly fit to be admitted into our houses, now sees nothing wrong about them. And as for the Chief Engineer, Mr. Boyd, why he is now the most excellent man of the lot. But the hon. member says, Oh! I never said one word against them. But now like the snow, their false charges against these men have all passed away. Well, after all thier charges against these me, it is refreshing to notice that in heir estimation there are now no men worthy of their confidence, as contractors, but Schrieber and Burpee. Why, at one time the people at large would have been so suspicious if a second contract had been given to those men by Mr. Pope's Government, I believe an Act of Parliament would have been first necessary for changing their names before it could have been done. But this aside, I deny that the Tender of Messrs. Schrieber and Burpee was the lowest. Nor do I admit that the Government had any right to allow them to lower their Tenders, (hear) If that privilege was given to one party they had no right to withhold it from another, Why was it that the 31st of December was allowed to come before the contract was let, or a tender accepted? The only reason assigned, so far, has been that the surveys were not completed; but they are not completed yet. The true reason appears to be that they were simply trying to see if they could not get rid of building the branch lines altogether. This was one of the political horses they rode into power on, and yet if they could, at the time, have strangled him and caused his death, it is quite clear they would have done so. Mr. Pope's Government gave O'Brien three weeks to re-consider his offer; they did not give any of the gentlemen who had tendered one hour. And, with respect to time, they had the regulating of the matter in their own hands, and if they had not time to allow any such considerations to gentlemen who sent in Tenders, the fault was their own. But the fact was, at that late hour they were glad to make the best bargain they could with Schrieber and Burpee, who were then the masters of the situation, much more than the Government was. When asked why the price per mile on the branches is so much higher than was allowed on the main line, we were told that there are broad rivers to cross,a nd very large and costly bridges to build on the branch lines; the cost of which will exceed anything on the main line, Their next reason is, that iron bus risen in price. Wuth wonderful forthought they next tell us they have 90 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 1873 arranged that the sleepers .on the branches are to be of juniper and cedar. Now what are the facts? On the eastern line juniper is easier to be had than any other wood suitable for that purpose, while in the west cedar for such a purpose is more abundant than juniper or spruce in the vicinity of the line. In all they have done, that had the shadow of consistency about it, they have been merely walking in the footprints of their predecessors; and whereverthey have not done that, they bungled all they undertook. Then as regards locating the line, Mr. Pope's Government ran the line, but the contractors had to pay for it; but Mr. Haythorne's Government located the branch lines at the expense of the country, which was a large item of cost in favor of the contractors. Well, why did they thus act? Last year they were heaven-born Engineers, and were not going to have any crooks in the line. But now when the result of their engineering has been tested, it appears there is more curvature on the branches than there is on the main line. It is admitted all round that they could not have got into Souris without curves, but last year the same hon. member maintained that it was possible to get to Summerside without departing from a straight line, or one nearly so. The country was quite level when Mr. Pope was in power, but became wonderfully rough when the hon. member for Belfast took charge of the ship of State. The hon. member, the Leader of the Opposition, taunts this side because some of us having ran our election against Confederation, are now in favor of it. Does the hon. member forget that when he ran his election in Belfast, he told the people he was going to knock the Railway on the head ?
Mr. LAIRD.‚ÄĒI wish I had.
Hon. Mr. Howlan, -- yet the hon. member, after getting returned and finding that he would not be sup ported by a following, that would enable him to be retained in power, falsified all those promises which he made to the people of his district, and agreed to go in for the immediate construction of the Branch lines. Was it possible for any man to act more inconsistently? And oh! if they could have succeeded a week or two ago, in getting Hon. Mr. Haviland to forfeit his allegiance to his political friends, they would only have been too glad to have had the opportunity of appointing him for their Leader. Why, in a caucus which they held, so sure did they feel about obtaining the consent of the hon. member for Georgetown, that it is reported they actually appointed him their Leader. But in this as in other of their scheming devices they found themselves disappointed.  
I will now endeavour to show how the late government destroyed the public credit of the colony. I will notice first in the list of their expenditure that of printing for 1872:
First general disbursements, $736.68
Printing and stationery, 936.68
Printing, 747.43
Election Printing, 329.08
Public printing and stationery, 8548.79
When they found the matter in one department of the public service running up so high they appear to have been ashamed of themselves. In order, therefore. to hide their folly, and conceal from the public eye, their extravagance, they allowed some of the accounts to lay over until the close of the financial year. Hence the following have to be added to the expenditure of the past financial year for Printing, &c. :‚ÄĒ
Printing Report of the Geological Survey, $885.90
Printing legal decision, 313.16
Printing Taylor's Book on use     Mussel Mud, 162.22
To which we have to add for Printing and stationery since the close of financial year 3, 222.81
Shewing an expenditure up to the first of February of $15, 392.75
Now if we compare this with the amount expended as it appears in the public accounts we find the gross expenditure as per public accounts for the financial year of 1872 - 3 to
be $385, 881.38
Spent since by warrant, $60, 723.89
Spent since in money, 42,396.00
Total $489,001.27
To which we have to add money¬† borrowed with the interest which has accrued thereon, which will bring up the expenditure for a little more than one year nearly to $500,000. Is it any wonder that our public credit has suffered. I take exception to the gentleman whom they sent to negotiate for the sale of our debentures. Not, Sir, from any disrespect I have personally to that gentleman, but because that in my opinion he was unfit for such a mission, as the result has proved. Any man sent on such a mission, who would on the credit of the Colony give his own note signed Albert Hensley, for $25.000 payable with interest at 7 1/2 per cent, leaving also as collateral security Debentures amounting to $28,000, betrayed his incapacity for the duties of his mission from a business stand point of view, he disgraced himself, the government, and the Island. Perhaps he may have to pay the note himself. (Laughter.) After borrowing the money this wonderful financier then buys exchange here for cash which they remit in advance to London in full to pay interest which will not become due until June. Truly he was a worthy representative of the most inbecile and as business men, most incompetent Government which ever ruled the destinies of this Colony. Indeed it would appear as if Hon. Mr. Haythorpe, became a little suspicious of the ability of his agent and determined to take the matter into his own hands, for we find him telegrapbing to Mr. Albert Hensley on December 13, 1872 telling him to remain a few days. Then sending one to Mr. Gray making enquiries respecting him. On Dec. 16th he telegraphs to Hensley again informing him that they had sold to Peaks Brothers $2,500 of Debentures at par. By this time Mr. Haythornc appears to have thought it was time for lntn to leave Montreal and move homewards. Hence on Dec. 23 he telegraphs again ‚ÄĒ" Return and take advance of $25,000 at 7 1/2 per cent for six: months," Then next day Dec. 24th " take $25,000 on those terms." On the 30th Dec. commands him to return, and states " several have been sold here at par." I think by this time the wires were getting warm, while the operators must have felt aroused at the anxiety of the government for the return of their experienccd Bank Clerk. No doubt he had a good time, and had no wish to return until he had fully enjoyed himself. But after tclegraphing after him to Montreal and St. John they at last got him home, and the result of his mission we all know in the discredit it brought upon the Colony. The Delegation cost $386, and all he did was to secure the loan of $25,000 at 7 1/2 per cent and pledged as I said before $26,000 as Collateral Security.
The per centage of cost on the loan stands thus,‚ÄĒ
Cost of Delegation 1 1/2 per cent
Cost Sending to Halifax 1/2 per cent
Cost Paid for money for four months 2 1/2 per cent
Cost For Sterling Exchange 1 1/2 per cent
Cost Less Sale Exchange here in Halifax 1/2 per cent
On Debentures 5 1.2 per cent
Whilst at home our Debentures were sellng at par. In three months they spent-$100,000, and the only reason why the public accounts have been
kept back is simply   because they thought to manipulate the colony into Confederation in a. quiet way. Hence they pursued their dash away policy to the end. But, .Sir, they have found that;
"The best laid schemes of men and mice gang aft a glee."
Equally absurd was their conduct. when they brought the New York Engineers to the Island. The Telegraph Wires had then also to be freely used. Instructions were given for the hon. Mr. Muirhead to meet them at one place, and to Mr. Sinclair to wait upon them in another. I don't think Mr. Muirhead travels much for pleasure,and we have fair reason to assume all this care to preserve those gentlemen from outside contamination, while on the Island, was not done for nothing, but inasmuch as they did not prevent them from testing Pope's champagne, it shows their duties were not performed according to the strict letter of Mr. Haythorne's instructions, (langhter.) I merely mention these matters to shew the singular and disgraceful manner. in which, as a Government. they managed every affair they undertook, and the sure and certain way they took of bringing the Island into disrepnte. The hon. member, the Leader of the Opposition, (Mr. Laird) says, that when we are allowed to go into union with Canada, with a debt af $45 a head, our position is better than it was in 1866. This I do not believe. At that date they placed their indebtedness at £25 per head. Since then they have become largely indebted for costly public undertakings. The Intercolonial is among these, and it is not yet finished, and besides there are other great improvements which have been carried forward at great expense to the Dominion, to say nothing of the Pacific, and other works which are sure to be undertaken at no distant day. Our imports have been $1,605,244, and the duty collected $302,757, equal to about $5.80 per head; while that in the Dominion according to Mr. Tilley, is $9.40;.and hence we shall, if we enter the union on these terms, have to make that difference good, either directly or indirectly. And I am not one of those who believed that our "people will consume less_' dutiable goods, according to the. number of our people, than they will in any other part of the Dominion; I will now come to the Terms. At the time of the election in my part of the country, at least, we had nothing but hearsay evidence upon which to ground a conclusion. And perhaps if they had then, as they have since, been placed properly before the people, there might not have been so much opposition to them. Although I am still of the opinion that they fall short of what we will require, and are entitled to receive. There is, however, one point which appears to have been overlooked and that is the one which refers to our Fisheries. Next month the Commission will sit. The Americans have received more than the Dominion already, and unless our interests are closely looked after we will receive but little. The American Government entered into an agreement three years ago with the Government here and, on certain conditions being complied with by us, they promised to remit duties paid by traders here on fish, which passed through their Custom House. But when asked to fulfil their part of the compact, they repudiated the claim altogether. I fee1 therefore, that this is an important matter, and one that should not be lost sight of. The Telegraph Lines here belong to a private company. When the Railroad is in operation it will require to be connected with the line at different points. Hence this matter must of necessity be attended to at once. And hence I must conclude that if we fail unanimously to use our influence to have these and other matters arranged before we enter, 1873 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 93 those who will vote against us in this matter will yet feel that they did wrong. Especially when we find that we cannot carry on the business of the country with this amount in the Terms brought down. The fact appears to be, the late Government were in such hot haste to close up the matter that I believe they forgot all about many questions which should not have been overlooked. I am told the learned and hon. member for Murray Harbor stated that he had no hesitation in saying that the School Question had been before the people at the late election instead of Confederation , If so, it was raised by themselves. And on that and other questions their fears were so exerciséd that all   kind of influences were brought forward in order that the weak and tottering foundations of their party might be supported. meetings  were held in St. Paul's School Room, a circular was addressed to all whom it concerned, and surely no one wiIl say now that any object was expected to be gained by this, but maintaining, if possible, the late party in  power. Away with such arguments. They come with a peculiarly bad grace from the learned member for Murray Harbor, who, if he rode into his seat here thinks hon. members on this side did the same. We are not, Sir, to be led away by any   such arguments from the question before us.   I believe {hat in view of the damaged public credit of Colony, Confederation or a large increase of taxation is inevitable. Nor is this all. If we accept the Terms brought down by Messrs. Laird and Haythorne, direct taxation will immediately, or very soon, have to be resorted to. In New Brunswick the Lieut. Governor came down with a demand, in the Speech from the Throne, for better Terms. But there the Dominion door had been closed, and they may find that a loud and long continued knock will be required before it is again opened. The Governor of that Province said that better Terms is now a necessity. None, I presume, will suppose he did not know what he was speaking about, and from the five years experience of New Brunswick in the Dominion, we should learn a lesson. Why, Sir, the people will blame us if we do not attempt to obtain a more favourable arrangement from the Dominion Government than what has been promised the late delegates. For my part I feel bound, for one, to support a resolution in favor of making the attempt. I firmly believe if such a resolution is well sustained by the House we shall succeed in obtaining substantially far better Terms. If so, then we may enter side by side with the sister Provinces, and I have no fear but that our people will succeed in the race for success as well as they. will. But if we enter on Terms which will necessitate us to resort to direct taxation immediately, we shall then lay the basis of a discontent that may prove most disastrous in its results. Rather let us insist upon Terms that wlll be just and satisfactory to our people at large. If we do so our success   as a Colony is sure, otherwise it will be greatly marred. I  do not agree that building the Railway necessarily brought about Confederation It is all very well for those who saw such a result, through the blaze of the bonfires when the measure was carried; and it was very well for the party who said this when they came into power to try and make their predictions good, by the gross mismanagement of the affairs of the Colony. I do not, however, agree with the opinion that Confederation was a necessary result of such a measure. But for agrument sake assuming such to be the case, the   Premier of the late Government was not opposed to the undertaking as the following proves:-
The following preamble and resolution was allowed at a public meeting in town by the Hon. R. P. Haythorne, Marshfield, seconded by Owen Connoly, Esq., Charlottetown, was agreed to almost unanimously:
"Whereas the agricultural products of Prince Edward Island, her foreign and domestic trade, her fisheries, her population. her public revenue, as well as the general wealth of the people, have, by the blessing of Providence, largely increased of late years; and whereas it has become absolutely necessary that the means of transport betweenall parts of the Island should be facilitated, and as far as possible rendered certain at all seasons.
"Therefore, Resolved, That property of all classes in the Island, and the value of property, would be greatly advanced by the constructing of a Trunk Line of Railway, connecting Alberton, Summerside, Charlottetown, and Georgetown with each other."
Here are the deliberately expressed views of hon. Mr. Haythorne, which, when contrasted with his subsequent conduct, does not place him in an enviable position as a public man. Had hon. Mr. Pope pursued so tortuous a course we would never hear the last of it. This resolution went forth through the country, and in reading it who could come to any conclusion but that that gentleman was an out and out Railway man. But when he found local influences in his district against him, he came down to the level of a mere delegate for a small locality, and opposed the measure. He even drove in the same sleigh with Mr. Pepe, and gave him to understand that he would support the undertaking. But after coming to Charlottetown and consulting with a few anti-Railway men, and moreover finding himself not likely to get into power soon, he, in his place in the Legislative Council, opposed the whole thing, declaring that he would consent to no such public undertaking until the land question was first settled. But mark you, when the hon. Mr. Haythorne became Leader of a Government, he all at once cast his opinions, respectingthe settlement of the land question, to the wild winds of Marshfield, and as a relief for such an ejection of sentiment, swallowed sixty miles more of a Railroad. As for the hon. member, the Leader of the Opposition, he now comes forward and says he never said or published a word against the Premier or the learned Attorney General. This is of a piece with the conduct of the Leader of the late Government in regard to fulfilling his promise respecting the Report of the New York Engineers. Oh! with respect to this, hon. Mr. Haythorne is as silent as the grave. They created an excitement in the country against Mr. Pope's Government, Burpee and Schrieber and the Engineers, which was worse than a fire, for a fire can only destroy a man's property, which health and industry, and the blessings of Providence, may again restore, but when you succeed in robbing any man or body of men of their public character, it may not, in all cases, be in the power of the injured party to recover it again. Last year the Patriot searched diligently for telegrams, and in reference thereto made statements which were not correct. But Sir, these of the Pope Government were but a trifle compared with those of the late party. I might begin with the first public man in the Colony who voted for the Railroad, and end with the loudest in its favor, hon. H. Bell. and show up the inconsistency of their conduct as public men. But it would be but an expose of weak and misdirected political conduct which failed in conferring seats in the Executive to those who sought them at so deara price as the sacrifice of political consistency. Afew were greatly exercised because a certain gentleman 1873 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 95 swallowed Fraser. But who swallowed the Irish hero whom the hon. and learned member for Murray Harbor so delighted, in the past, to honor? Alas for human applause, especially when it comes from the hon. member and his political friends.
MR. L. H. DAVIES.‚ÄĒEvery hon. member of this House is desirous that this Colony should receive the very best Terms that can be obtained for a union with the Dominion of Canada. The hon. member for Alberton, (Mr. Howlan) has not, in his remarks, put forward a single statement in reference to the demand for better Terms from the Dominion Government, but has endeavored to prove the inconsistency of hon. Mr. Haythorne. I hold in my hand the Parliamentary Reporter for 1870, and in it I find that the hon. member himself made use oflanguage at that Session, identical with that of Mr. Haythorne, in reference to the construction of a Railway. The words used by the hon. member were as follows: 1 see around those desks enough of the spirit of those who unfurled the old ting, whose determination is not to surrender up the constitution of the country into other bands until the portrait of the last landlord is hung up in the Legislative Library of the Island, as a memento of the past. Then, and not till then, will the different sections of the country be brought into closer communion with each other by the introduction of the iron horse, which could then run through one free farm‚ÄĒas it were‚ÄĒextending from the North Cape to the East Point, carrying the products of our thrifty and enterprising farmers to the best markets. The scene changes, Mr. Speaker, and the hon. member introduces the Railway Bill against the wish of three- fourths of the people of this Island. What does the hon. member gain by endeavoring to show up the inconsistencies of hon. gentlemen who stand equally as high in the estimation of the people as himself? The important ruestion before the House should be discussed in a manner free from all personalities and side issues. Hon. members on the Government side of the House entertain the idea that if they can show up the extravagant conduct of the late Government to be the cause of their accepting terms of Confederation, they will have a good and sufficient excuse for their change of base; but this they are utterly unable to do. The hon. member for New London made an able effort this morning, and one which I believe will have its effect upon those hon. members who make those charges. That hon. member showed clearly that the expenditure for the past year, not withstanding the heavy demands upon the Treasury, did not exceed the Revenue. " But," says the hon. member for Tignish, " the late Government called in all the Warrants and issued a lot more." That hon. member knows that the Coalition Government called it the Warrants when they were in power, and paid them off with the money they obtained for Railway purposes. The hon member says that it is true the Coalition carried the Railway Bill, but the late Government came in and carried the Branch Bill which was the last straw that broke the camel's back, and that they are, therefore, responsible for the whole.
Hon. Mr. HOWLAN.‚ÄĒI, myself voted for the Branches.
MR. L. H. DAVIES.‚ÄĒYou, at any rate, attempted to blame the late Government for passing the Branch Blll.
Hon. Mr. HOWLAN.‚ÄĒI said that a merchant might be in good credit all his life and at last become bankrupt.
MR. L. H. DAVIES‚ÄĒThe hon. member stated that the late Government sacrificed the interests of the country in carrying out the Branch lines, although he well knows that the 96 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 1873 construction of those lines formed the policy of the Coalition when they went out of power, and were by them declared to be necessary. In the first Railway Bill, the Branches were to be built in five years, but in the Speech, at the opening of the six days' session, it was stated that they were to be built immediately. The hon. member says the late Government did as he would have done, but that after all they have sacrificed the best interests of the country ! His actions in reference to this matter are childish in the extreme. Why was the Branch Bill delayed till the last moment, last session ? Because the hon member opposed the investment clauses it contained, with all the vehemence he could bring to bear upon them. If there was any delay, therefore, he must shoulder the responsibility of it. He declares the late Government spent $20,000 on the public printing, while the Coalition Government spent only $11,000. I wonder why he attempts to deceive people in that way, when he knows that most of the money paid for printing under the late Government went to pay for printing ordered by the Coalition Government ! He employed a Professor to make an analysis of the mussel mud and ordered the publication of his report, at a very considerable cost. The printers employed by the late Government received but a paltry share of the amount paid for public printing during the past year. The hon. member assumed that Mr. Albert Hensley was not fit for his mission to dispose of our Debentures in the other Provinces ; but everybody knows that gentleman to be quite as competent as the hon. member for Albert on. When the hon. member was sent upon a delegation to Washington, his Premier was obliged to recall him. In reference to our finances, he says that our taxation at present amounts to $3.28 per head, while our outlays amount to over $4. Well, if we remain out of Confedera tion, where are we going to be at that rate ? He knows that the Revenue received for last year would not carry us half through the present one, and that when the Trunk Railway and Branches are completed, our taxation, if we remain out of Confederation, will be $6.20 per head, in order to meet the demands upon the Colony. This would be nearly $3 per head above and beyond our present taxation ; and I would like to know it could be levied. Will it be believed that when the hon. member came to tell us what addition he wanted to the present Terms, it came down to provincial postage and some little items about the fisheries ! I decline to form part of that delegation, as I have some little respect left for myself. In the matter of fisheries, we shall be placed in precisely the same position as the other Provinces ; we shall have our share of the sum allowed by the Dominion Government, and cannot ask more than that. It is our duty to look after our interests and to endeavor to get fair and reasonable Terms ; but when we obtain them, we should be satisfied. I shall now make a few remarks in answer to those of the hon. member for Summerside. From the general tenor of his remarks I am convinced the hon. member does not know what addition to the present Terms he is going to ask for. " I cannot understand," he says, " how we are to be the gainers by going into Confederation, if Canada tariff is lower than ours ?
Hon. Mr. LEFURGY‚ÄĒI referred to Mr. Laird's arguments in the morning, and not to going into Confederation. I said that we would lose, by adopting the liquor tariff of the Dominion, if it was lower than our own, while we remain out of Confederation.
Mr. L. H. DAVIES.‚ÄĒIf the tariff of the Dominion is lower than ours, we would gain by entering Confederation. There was an attempt made by 1873 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 97 the hon. Leader of the Government, in his speech, to show that a few little items for Lighthouses, Drill Sheda and Breakwaters, had not been presented by the late delegation, and that their value might still be conceded by the Dominion Government. The ground on which he bases his arguments in favor of those items is so paltry and narrow, when compared with the liberal Terms now before us, that it seems almost ridiculous. He declares that the Haythorne-Sinclair Government so depreciated the credit of the country, that it is beyond his power to renew it. I deny it Sir. If any act was done that tended to destroy the credit of the Colony, it was the publication of a leading article in the Islander newspaper, printed by the Queen's printer of the Coalition Government. The credit of the country was as good when the late Government resigned, as when they came into power. The hon. member for Summerside, (Mr. Lefurgy) stated that the late Government squandered $10,000 in changing the Summerside Station. This statement is altogether untrue. He then charged them with taking advantage of the country by sending off the late delegation to Ottawa. If they had acted in any other way than they did, I would have opposed them, for they adopted the only proper course they could pursue under the circumstances in which they were placed, and have received the approval of the people in reference to their action. When I look across the Straits and find that one of the Provinces was almost in a state of open rebellion, because the question of Confederation was not submitted to the people at the polls, I am perfectly satisfied that the late Government, in submitting the question to the country at a general election, took the only proper and constitutional course they could have adopted. The people were the only tribunal who had the right to decide the question whether they should unite with the Dominion or not. The great question was fully discussed in every hamlet and schoolhouse in the country, and there was hardly a man who did not understand it in all its bearings. The result of that election was that there is to-day, in this House, only one man who opposes a union with Canada, and he is not to the fore, while the question is being discussed. If the statement of the hon. Leader of the Government is correct, there is a great deal of force in the position he takes, but I am fully persuaded there is not the slightest foundation for that statement. In his figures, he charges, in the annual expenditure of this Colony, under Confederation, the whole of the amount expended last year by the Board of Works. I am surprised at this, when I look at his position. He knows that several of the items which he has charged against this Colony, under Confederation, will be borne by the Dominion. He should have deducted those items from the $96,000 expended by the Board of Works for 1872. The Breakwaters will be taken charge of by the Dominion under Confederation, and, therefore, their annual cost should also be deducted from our expenditure ; (Mr. Davies here quoted from the following financial statement, and compared the different items, charges, %c., with the figures submitted by the hon. Leader of the Government :‚ÄĒ


Education $64,220.36
Road Service, including Ferries 18,658.00
Board of Works Expenditure in 1872 $96,405,88
Deduct following special items
New Law Courts, $19,348
Hospital, 100
Bonded Warehouse, 20
Steam Dredge, 9,211
Light & Lighthouses, 2,371
Buoys & Beacons 1,121
Breakwaters $11,772
Deduct 4,000 7,772 $39,943,00
Legislation in 1872, House of Assembly $13,474
Legislation in 1872 Council, 6,101
In 1871 only $13,000 13,000.00
Legislative Library, $184,13 300.00
Executive Council 2,288.21
Supreme Court, less Jedges Salaries, 5,193.00
Jails, 1,036.00
Lunatic Asylum, 5,105.44
Poor Asylum 4,983.09
Agriculture, 3,283.14
Public Land Office including Salaries, 3,337.67
Boards of Health, 585.48
Coroners Inquests, 690.76
Elections in 1872, $3,318.73
Dedcut 1/4 2,488.00
Add for partial Elections 200.00 1,030.73
Paupers, 2,846.28
Telegraph Company in 1872, 2,750.65
Colonial Building, 624.13
Islands Packets, 5,110.71
Less Steam Navigation Company for trips between Pictou and Geo'town, 1,849.33 3,261.38
Expenditure in Confederation, $189,347.52
Public Printing and Stationary, $8,548.00
Deduct Post Office, Custom House, and Military Department, 2,000.00
Salaries of Public Officers, $14,880.92
Less Lieut. Governors, $6,813.50
Private Secretary, 325.00
Manager Savings Bank, 974,00 8,112.50 6,768.32
Miscellaneous $6,908.06
Less Cent Coinage, $900.45
Geological Survey, 411.86
Return Duties, 155.48
Rent P.O., Summerside, 64.88
Wharfage Steam Navigation Company, 194.67
Protection of Fisheries, 457.53
Distressed Seaman, 225.24
Quarantine Hospital, 187.04
Crown Agent for Colonies, 24.32
Printing Railway Debentures, 1,733.75 4,355.16 2,552.87
Total Debt of P.E. Island, 31st Jan., 1873, $1,609,507.09
Less Railway Expenditure, 1,083,522.26
Island Debt exclusive of Railway, $525,984.83
Railway Debt assumed at 3,250,000.00
Actual Debt assumed by Dominion, $3,775,984.83
Assumed Debt $45 per head, $4,230,945.00
Actual Debt assumed as above, 3,775,984.83
Balance on which we draw Interest $454,960.17
Interest on the above $454,960.17 at 5 per cent $22,748.50
Interest on $900,000 for Land, 44,000.00
80 cents per head, 75,200.00
Local Legislature, 30,000.00
Law Courts, $69.000
Amount on Dredge, 9,221
Interest on this amount at 6 per cent, 78,211 4,692.00
Local Receipts, $177,640.50
Land Assessment, $13,547.37
Amount due on Lands, $335,000
Deduct probable loss, 35,000
Interest at 6 per cent, $300.000 $18,000.00
Crown Lands, 385.55
Rent Warren Farm, 180.22
Colonial Secretary's Fees, 1,035.63
Registrars Fees, 2,314.74
Fees Normal School, 252.00
Wharfage, 2,204.35
Licence Duties, 2,326.47
Prothonotory's Office, 3,200.00
Miscellaneous, 862.15
Taxes and Penalties, 372.04 44,680.52
Total Revenue in Confederation, 222,320,02
Expenditure under Confederation 205,216.71
Yearly Surplus in favor of P.E.Island, $17,103.31
I find that the amount expended for Legislation last year was the largest ever used for that purpose in this Colony, and, therefore, should not be set down as a regular annual expenditure. I should go for abolishing the Legislative Council altogether, under Confederation. Then again, the hon. Leader of the Government puts down, as a yearly expenditure, the cost of a general election; this is also unfair. I put down one-fourth 100 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 1873 of the outlay for the election of 1872, and add to this $200 for partial elections, making in all $1,080.73. The charge for Island Packets, after deducting the cost of trips between Pictou and Georgetown, will be born by the Local Government. The cost of all our miscellaneous items was carried out by the hon. Leader of the Government as part of our yearly expenditure in Confederation; but I find that out of a total of $6,908.06 the sum of $4,355.19 will be assumed by the Dominion, leaving a balance of only $2,552.87 to be borne by the Colony. In the Statement I have given of the expendiiture of the Island under Confederation, I believe I have stated the facts as as as can be ascertained, and I defy any honorable member of this House to show that I have made a single deduction which I cannot defend by the best of arguments. Our annual total expenditure, when we form part of the Dominion, will, therefore, be $205,216.71. In calculating our receipts under Confederation, I assume that we will receive the interest on the difference between the $45 per head, allowed as our assumed debt and the debt we really owe. The actual debt of this Colony, including the whole cost of the Railway, on the 31st January,l873, was $3,775,984. 83, and the amount of'debt assumed by the Dominion is $4,230,945. The balance upon which we shall draw interest, will, therefore, be $454,960.17. I am proud and happy to know that the day is coming when we shall have money sufficient to exterminate the old proprietory system of this Colony, and that the whole of our people will have an opportunity of purchasing the freehold of their lands. The hon. Leader of the Government made a deduction of one- third from the amount granted for lands, for loss to be sustained in investing the money; but I cannot see why so large a deduction should be made from a sum of which we draw the yearly interest. He omitted a most important item of assets, as he told us nothingabout the 89000 acres of unsold lands now in the hands of the Government. I claim interest in the full amount allowed for lands, but I will allow the unsold lands, remaining on hand, to go against the presumed loss which the hon. Leader of, the Government says we shall incur iii investing the $800, 000, as it is likely we shal lose something in this way. If credit is not given for the unsold lands now in the possession of the Government, it is unfair to deduct one cent from the $800,000: The hon. Leader of the Government omitted entirely from his calculations the interest on the money not paid to the Railway contractors, which we shall receive till the principal is paid, and which will amount to over $75,000. This amount, if invested. would yiéld $4,692 annually. Our land assessment which would be an item of local revenue, would amount to $18,547.87. The total annual revenue wonld amount to $222,320,02- a very handsome sum for local purposes to begin with under Confederation. By subtracting the expenditure from the revenue, we obtain a balance of $17,103.31, in favor of the, Colony under the terms now offered: These figures cannot be swept away by mere assertion. I know we have been told that hon. members on the Opposition slde of the House have no financial ability; but I think by the present test we compare very favorfibly with hon. members on the other side of the House. We shall receive $20.00 per head of our population more than Nova Scotia and New Brunswick received per head when tbey became a part of the Union, which amounts to a total of $1,880,420. We should ask for all that is just, reasonable   and fair, from the Dominion Governinent; but we have no right to press unjust claims. If we adopt an unjust claim, we must be prepared to mete out the same measure to the other Provinces, if we 1873 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 101 receive it. These terms must be submitted to the Dominion Parliament, and laid on the table before giants in financial ability ; we should, therefore, be careful not to make any demand for additional concessions without good and sufficient grounds for so doing. I cannot see upon what grounds the new delegation can ask for better Terms ; I believe we cannot prosecute any additional demand with any amount of fair play. The Lighthouses of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick were not paid for. and why should we receive remuneration for ours? It is high time for us to close up this honorable and straightforward bargain between this Colony and the Dominion of Canada, as it is best for the interests of both parties to do so. When all the contemplated public works of the Dominion for the next fifteen years are completed, her debt will not probably be greater per head than it is today, as her population will have increased in proportion. In obtaining the concession of $45 per head as our assumed Public Debt, we have been highly favored above all the other Provmces. The despatch from Lord Dufferin, stating that better Terms would not be granted, was couched in the strongest and most positive language. Are we going to stultify ourselves by sending another delegation in the face of that despatch? Lord Dufferin is one of the most distinguished statesmen in the British Empire, holds a very high position in literature and political life, and was chosen by Her Majesty the Queen to consummate the great union of all these British North American Provinces. I am surprised that the Government should think that His Lordship would sit down and pen a despatch that he would change at the request of any, political party that_ may happen to get hold of the reins of power in this little Colony. I believe that Lord Dufferin desires the prosperity of this Island, as well as that of the other Provinces, and: that he will do all in his power to bring about a union on just and equitable terms.
Hon. LEADER OF THE GOVERNMENT.‚ÄĒI congratulate the hon. junior member for Murray Harbor on his very eloquent speech and self display. Taking him at his own word he is the greatest orator and statesman that ever stood upon the floor of this House. When the hon. .member for Belfast speaks, there is some little reason in his remarks, but I take no more notice of the statements of the hon. member for Murray Harbor, than I do of a breeze of wind flowing through the building. His financial statements amount to nothing but wind and are not worthy of serious consideration. I repeat what I before stated in reference to the telegram from Lord Dufferin, that it was suggested by parties resident in this country ; I know something about this affair. There is no hon. member of this House who entertains greater respect for the high position occupied by the Governor General of the Dominion than I do; but at the same time, His Excellency stands in the same position to the people of Canada, as our Lieutenant Governor does to the people of this Island. Suppose, for illustration, that one of the other Provinces stood in the same position to this Colony as we at present do to the Dominion, and that after obtaining certain terms of union, some interested person came over and said to His Honor the Lieut. Governor, "I want your Excellency to write a despatch stating that these are the best terms I can carry through Parliament." The telegram from Lord Dufferin was obtained in a precisely similar manner. The statement I made last evening, I put, I think, fairly. We should take our position as it is, and not as it would be by cutting and carving it, to suit particular purposes. We have at present two 102 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 1873 branches of the Legislature, but if disposed to do so; we might dlspense with the Upper one, and also reduce the number of members of this Lower House, in order to reduce our Legislative expenditure, and still retain all the power that we really require. The expenditure of last year, ¬† was, we know, an unusually large one, especially tbat of the Board of Works! This year there has been expended by that Board no less than $61,000 since the 1st of January. Since our popuiation has increased, our wants are greater, labor is also becoming dearer, and the price of timber and other materials getting higher, so that it now requires a much larger amount of money to meet the requirements of the country, than in former years. Our people will want steam communication in all directions, and this must be maintained. As fast as one item of expenditure is struck out, another new item will be inserted so that we shall require just as much money to meet our wants in future as we now do. Ther√© is always something turning up which requires an expenditure termed " Extraordinary,"and which cannot be foreseen. Under the terma now offered, we should never receive any larger annual allowance than during the first year; while our present revenue doubles in eyery tweIve years. There are now fourteen millions of dollars to be distributed among the lower Provinces in the shape ofBetter Terms, which: shows that their wants are also increasing faster than their revenues. There are assets for the Dominion, set down by the hon. jjunior member for Belfast, as r√©turning.interest, which will never return a single cent to the Treasury, and which should, therefore, be added to the sixty-two millions.. What guarantee have we that the construction of the ¬† Bay Verte' Canal will not cost more than five millions or dollars? The same be may be' asked in reference to all the other great public works, now proposed by the Dominion, for the next fifteen years. Will they give us one -fortieth part of the excess of expenditure over the sums estimated as the: cost of those works? Not at all. By the Union Act we could not claim one shilling more than what accrues to us through ¬† the ¬† increase of our population, and are shut} out from any share of tbe sums expended on public works. Although we shall form one -fortieth part ¬† of the population of the Dominion, we shal] be cut off from the advantages of their Railways, and have no communication with Canada in Winter, except by our little Icehoat. Our population may increase perhaps so as to procure for us an addition of $1000 per year¬† to our revenue, whereas our present Revenue doubles every few years. It is true Nova Scotia and New Brunswick received nothing for their Lighthouses then in existence; but many of ours have been built since the Union took place; and it is nothing: but fair that we should be allowed something for them.The same argument will apply to the Drill Sheds; we have a perfect right to receive remuneration for them as they have been built since the Quebec Conference took placc. I am not one who would ask the Dominion Government for anything unreasonable and unfair ; but we should not ¬† hesitate to stand up for our rights, and if we can obtain a few thousand dollars here and a few thousand there, to which we are justly entitled, we shall save so much in direct taxation.¬† But since the delegates have returned, their notions are so large that they think four or five thousand dollars here and there not worth mentioning. We have had a hard battle to fight, and have, through our industry and perseverance,developed, to a considerable extent, one of the most productive countries in the world. The number of poor people among us is very small, and I believe there is not a country in the world where there is more real home com 1873 PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER. 103 fort than there is on this little Island. We have a right to ask for what we believe reasonable and fair, and to be placed in as good a position as the people of the neighbouring Provinces. We should not be placed in such a position that we shall be compelled to come down upon our people in direct taxation immediately after entering the Union. I am not sorry to see Confederation about to be carried, as I have always been in¬†¬† favor of it, and just and equitable terms, and believed it would be a great benefit to this country. It was generally thought that if our delegates at the Quebec Conference had signed the Report then agreed upon, we should be legislated into Confederation. I did not think this would be the case; but believed it possihle that it might be ¬† so. I thought that if the $800.000 ¬† turned out to be a bona fide offer, that I was satisfied in laying it before the people, as it would be the means of makmg every farmer in the Colony a free- . holder, and would thus settle the land question. lf¬† theIsIand shou}d have been legislated into ¬† Confederation without obtaining that amount, what position would we have been in with regard to our lands? I was, after consldering the matter fully, prepared to place the offer before the Legislature for discussion, and if found satisfactory, to put the question to the people at the polls. The basis laid down by the Union Association included the eighty cents per head, the $800,000, the ¬† Railway, and a fair share of the allowance for public works. I believe the Government at that time got wind of the platform of that Association, and that the latter called forth the minute of Council to which I lately referred. It has been stated that another delegation should not be sent without showing good grounds for so doing. W√© should have such terms granted us that if the Dominion Debt increases ¬† by expendi ture for public works, we shal1 have ¬† one-fortieth part ¬† of that expenditure as long as we are one-fortieth part of the population. If we have a legitimate claim to the cost of the Lighthouses built by us since the Quebec Scheme was agreed upon ; even if it be only $40,00 let us have it. ¬† I, for one, will not attempt to deceive the people by declaring that ¬† we have plenty for all our wants in the present Terms when 1 know we have not. I feel confident that very large concessions will yet be made, that Confedoration will, before long; be an accomplished fact, and that it will bethe happiest day in the history of Prlnce Edward Island when it is consummated. I am prepared to use my humble efforts to carry out this great question, and in order to do so in the most satisfactory manner, would ask for the cordial and hearty support of the hon. members on the other side of the House. If a¬† delegation does go to Ottawa, and the hon, members of the Opposition wish to serve the best interests of their country, 1 think it is their duty and also that of every hon. member of this House to give all the assistance they can to make it successful. A unanimous vote of this House would have a much better effect than a division of parties. It will not cost us much to ask for better Terms, and if they cannot be obtained, we would be perfectly justified in accepting the present Terms. Our duty to ourselves, our constituents and our children, compels us to take the course proposed. We are about to give up our right to collect our Import Duties ¬† to Canada, and in exchange want a fair and reasonable conslderation. I have good reason to think that we shall obtain the concessions we ask, and believe we shall. No effort shall be wanting on our part in endeavoring to obtain what we consider justice at the hands of the Dominion Government. ¬†
MR. D. LAIRD wished to explain the statement made by the hon. Leader of the Government, in reference to the money spent on the Intercolonial Railway by the Dominion Government. We know that that Railway is about being finished this coming year, and this construction account does not refer to the past year at all. The whole amount was included in the sum by which the $45 per head was obtained.
The Debate was then adjourned.
House adjourned till ten o'clock tomorrow.


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