Monday, Feb. 13.
 
            
            
            
            The house met at three o'clock.
 
            
            
            
             
               
               HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY.
 
               
               Monday, Feb. 13–Continued.
 
               
               
               
               SHEA - What new matter was that which we  
                  had now from the Commercial body? That was not  
                  the petition which was on the table of the Commercial  
                  Room on Saturday. The petition, however, was a  
                  very proper one, as were the hon gentleman's observations also. But notwithstanding
                  it was a class petition to conserve their own interests. But he might  
                  ask whether the interests of the merchants were identical with those of the people
                  at large in this matter  
                  Their object was to amass as speedily as possible the  
                  means to leave the country and live elsewhere. If  
                  they had had thefr wish there would not have been a  
                  mile of road in the colony. They objected to all taxation, Was this the first time
                  they petitioned the  
                  house? Did we not find that Responsible Government was opposed by the commercial body,
                  and that  
                  some of them left the country on account of its being  
                  introduced? They had suddenly become free traders.  
                  If they had their own way the colony would not have  
                  had representative institutions to this day. When free  
                  trade with the United States was proposed, it had not  
                  more determined opponents than the commercial  
                  body. The petitioners were very respectable men.  
                  He admitted their respectability, but he must repeat  
                  that was a class petition. The petition stated that  
                  Canada pursued a protective policy—so did the United  
                  States. It said we would benefit by a free trade policy. He (Mr. Shea) agreed with
                  the petitioners.  
                  But when free trade was proposed none were more violently opposed to it than the petitioners.
                  They  
                  seemed now to have an extraordinary fit of alarm.  
                  Who told them, or any person else that the question  
                  of confederation would be forced through this session?  
                  Not a single word was uttered since the commencement of the session by any supporter
                  of confederation  
                  to show that there was  
                  through the house. There was nothing he (Mr. S.)  
                  would deprecate more than to force the matter without  
                  affording full time for its consideration. If there had  
                  been a general concurrence of opininion on the question in the house and throughout
                  the country, and if  
                  the neighbonring colonies had proceeded with it, it  
                  would have been perfectly legitimate to dispose of the  
                  matter this session. But in the divided state of public opinion such a course was
                  never thought of. These  
                  gentlemen were unnecessarily alarmed. He did say  
                  that the supporters of confederation in the house were  
                  too deeply impressed with a sense of their responsibility, and the duty which they
                  owed to the country, to  
                  press the matter hastily. They knew that however  
                  successful it might prove, those who took an active  
                  part in carrying a measure of that kind would get  
                  very little thanks for it, while they would be subjected to blame by all who might
                  be disappointed. The  
                  hon member said the recommendation from the Chamber of Commerce was not attended to
                  when they suggested that the Customs' duties should be made payable in cash. And the
                  government were right in nct  
                  attending to them. He said it was an attempt on the  
                  part of the men of wealth to crush the middleman.  
                  Customs' bonds had been in use for over thirty years,  
                  and until a recent case no loss was sustained by the  
                  revenue through them. It was a legitimate case for  
                  that house to interfere to sustain the industrious man  
                  of good character and limited means. Some persons  
                  had signed two petitions on that subject, one for and  
                  one against the payment of the duties in cash. The  
                  subject would probably come up again, and we would  
                  then have an opportunity of discussing the benefit to  
                  the rising importers by the present system. It would  
                  appear that the petitioners had already made up their  
                  minds on the question of faderation, that it would  
                  ruin the country. It was not the introduction of Canadian capital in our trade, or
                  the active competition  
                  of Canadian merchants and traders that alarmed them.  
                  The hon member who presented the petition said  
                  they had applied to the government for information.  
                  But he (Mr. Shea) did not see what right these gentlemen, however respectable, had
                  to information from  
                  the government beyond other parties. The Legislature were the only parties entitled
                  to priority of information. The prayer of the petition, however, could  
                  easily be complied with. Delay was the proper  
                  course under existing circumstances,with the opinions  
                  of the people throughout the country, as well as in  
                  the Legislature, so much divided, it would be most  
                  improper and unjust to press the question to a decision. That was a conclusion which
                  would have been  
                  arrived at if that petition had not been presented.
 
               
               
               
               
                  Mr. MARCH.-You might search all over the  
                  world without finding men occupying a leading position having so much property involved
                  as the merchants of Newfoundland, highly educated and  
                  with a perfect knowledge of our trade and resources.  
                  Last Saturday he witnessed what he never before had  
                  observed in his life, high and low mixed together to  
                  consider this great question. He thought, when men  
                  had sustained such heavy losses as our merchants had  
                  suffered last year and some years preceding they were  
                  entitled to much credit for the way in which they had  
                  acted towards the planters and fishermen. He would  
                  say now, as he had frequently said before, that there  
                  were no men in the world moie liberal in giving away  
                  their substance to fustain the fishermen and trada of  
                  the country. And were these the men to he sneered  
                  at when they came to this house with such a reasonable petition on that important
                  question? The hon.  
                  member said they went away when they realised fortunes. But if they did, did they
                  not leave their representatives behind them? The house he (Mr. March)  
                  had been connected with for years, had ÂŁ180,000  
                  afloat last year, and he need not say that they sustained a loss by the year's business.
                  And the fisher  
                  men bad come to understand who were their friends,  
                  and who eame forward to sustain them. Who would  
                  give the supplies a few weeks hence,for the seal fishery?  
                  He trusted in Proaidvince smiling on the energies of  
                  the hardy men who were proceeding to the ice; and  
                  if they were successful,they would bring in abundance.  
                  The hon member said he would give time for the consideration of that question. But
                  if he could have carried if he would have pressed it througe the house.  
                  But he now found that public opinion was excited  
                  aganst him, and therefore he said its decision ought  
                  to be postponed until next year. But, were these his  
                  sentiments from the first? He (Mr March) said nothing  
                  should be done hastily until the people had time  
                  to consider it. That was a solemn momentous question, and be felt grateful that that
                  petition had come  
                  in. There never was a better feeling than now between the several classes of the community.
                  The  
                  fishermen could not exist without the merchants, and  
                  the laerchants' profits were 1ealized from the labour  
                  of the fishermen, and both seemed to be more convinced of their mutual degendauce
                  than at any former  
                  period.
 
               
               
               
               
                  Mr. SHEA—The hon member has made a mistatement which he (Mr. Shea) would not allow to pass
                  
                  uncontradicted. Who authorised aim to say that if  
                  he (Mr. Shea) had his way the measure would be  
                  passed this season?
 
               
               
               
               
                  Mr. MARCH-Yourself. You said you would dis  
                  pose of it, and if your constituents did not like it,they  
                  might reject you at the hustings.
 
               
               
               
               
                  Mr SHEA—The hon member did not understand the  
                  question. He (Mr Shea) felt the responsibility of the  
                  question too much to do anything of the kind. From  
                  the very first he said it was too serious a question to be  
                  
                  
                  
                  
                  disposed of without due consideration, and that he did  
                  not desire that it should be carried by a narrow majority.  
                  What he said was that these were his opinions on the  
                  question, and if his constituents did not like these opinions they must choose a representative
                  whose opinions  
                  they approved, not that he would carry it without consulting them. He (Mr Shea) would
                  state his opinions  
                  when he went before them, fairly and openly, and  
                  would submit himself to their vote; but his opinions  
                  were his own. He did not blame the merchants for  
                  leaving the country; but he did say that their interests  
                  were not identical with those of the people of this country, who intended to remain
                  in it and make it the home  
                  of their children. He regretted the merchants did not  
                  remain permanently, and direct their attention to those  
                  improvements which occupied the attention of merchants  
                  in other places. That question must be settled by those  
                  who were able to instruct the people on its merits. A great  
                  question like that, requiring cool and careful investigation, was not to be disposed
                  of by clamour. It  
                  should be approached calmly and carefully. The best  
                  minds and clearest intellects in the country were required to elucidate it.
 
               
               
               
               
                  Mr. WHITEWAY—This question of confederation  
                  had worked wonders. On every occasion heretofore,  
                  the hon member Mr March strongly advocated the  
                  rights of the fishermen, and now for the first time in  
                  his life he appears as the apologist of the merchants.  
                  Such a course however was unnecessary, for nothing  
                  had been said that he (Mr W) was aware of, disrespectful to that body. The hon gentleman
                  had said that  
                  this great and important question ought not to be influenced by clamour. But he (Mr
                  W) believed that it  
                  was the clamour of that hon member and others like  
                  him which had induced the commercial body to send  
                  that petition to this house, hon members had gone forth  
                  and made the grossest misrepresentation of what had  
                  been stated here. He (Mr W) never heard the hon.  
                  member for Placentia and St. Mary's, Mr. Shea, say  
                  that he would force this matter through this session.  
                  Such a course he believed was never contemplated.  
                  The question was entirely new to this country. It had  
                  been under the consideration of the other colonies for  
                  years past, but we had never interested ourselves in it,  
                  and until the past autumn the question had never been  
                  submitted to us. It was only Ĺżately that we acquired  
                  any satisfactory information on the subject. The petition just presented to the House
                  was entitled to all the  
                  consideration which the hon member, Mr Wyatt, asked  
                  for it. And he (Mr W) felt convinced that every petition, no matter from whom it emanated,
                  would always  
                  meet with due consideration in that assembly. But  
                  this was avowedly a class petition, and as such should  
                  be cautiously dealt with, for unfortunately the gentlemen who had signed this petition
                  were apt to change  
                  their opinions, and in support of what he stated, he  
                  (Mr W) had merely to refer to the action of the Commercial Society in 1863, when they
                  passed a resolution  
                  as to advisability of paying all duties in cash and doing  
                  away with the Bond system. The resolution which was  
                  sent to the hon Receiver General was as follows:–
 
               
               
               
               
                  
                  
                  "That it is advisable, and recommended by this So  
                     ciety, that, in future, all duties be paid in cash, and  
                     that H. M. Government be informed of this Resolution,  
                     in order to take any steps they may think advisable  
                     thereon." 
                   
               
               
               
               
                  Shortly after this resolution was received by the Receiver General, a petition, which
                  he (Mr. W) would  
                  read, was addressed to his Excellency the Governor in  
                  Council, as follows:— 
               
               
               
               
                  
                  
                  
                     "We, the undersigned Merchants and Importers of  
                     St. John's, having been given to understand that the  
                     Commercial Society have passed the following Resolu  
                     tion, viz: 
                  
                  
                  
                  
                     "That it is the opinion of the Commercial body that  
                     all duties should be payable in cash, with the view of  
                     its being sent to the Executive for action thereon, beg  
                     leave to express our dissent therefrom. 
                  
                  
                  
                  
                     "By allowing importers to give Bond for Duties  
                     amounting to over ÂŁ40 sterling (which formerly was  
                     ÂŁ25) is a great accommodation to the trade, and considerable advantage to the revenue,
                     as in case all duties  
                     were made payable in cash, the outports, with the exception of Harbour Grace (and
                     this is a great consideration) could not possibly pay their duties in cash.
                  
                  
                  
                  
                     "We, therefore, humbly submit these our opinions,  
                     and trust that as the revenue has not hitherto (so far  
                     as we know) sustained any loss from the manner in  
                     which duties have been paid, according to law, there  
                     will be no alteration made, unless, on a full investigation, it be found advantageous
                     to the country generally." 
                  
                   
               
               
               
               
                  This petition was signed by Messrs. Job, Brothers &  
                  Co., and by fifty other importers, and was sufficient to  
                  show that unanimity did not prevail amongst the mercantile community upon public questions,
                  any more  
                  than in other quarters. Now this petition was presented to the Legislature, praying
                  for the continuance of  
                  the Bond system, and was actually signed by men who  
                  had voted for the resolution, and who were members  
                  of the Commercial Society. When he (Mr W) saw  
                  that only two years ago these gentlemen changed their  
                  opinions in so short a time as two days, this House  
                  should certainly pause, and not hastily act according to  
                  the prayer of that petition. It might be that in a day  
                  or two we should have another petition from the same  
                  gentlemen with a prayer in favor of confederation.  
                  They say that all the country wants is time, and that in  
                  the abstract they were in favor of it. But was it right  
                  to set up class against class in this matter? Was it all  
                  pure philanthropy that animates these gentlemen "to  
                  scatter their supplies of hard cash,"—to use the language of Mr March? Did they not
                  hope for an ample  
                  return for the capital which they had invested here in  
                  trade? He wondered that the hon member, Mr March  
                  who was so fond of quoting Scripture had forgotten the  
                  text applicable in this case, that he did not exclaim,  
                  "Does Job serve God for naught?" Did the merchants  
                  expest no return? He (Mr W) always understood  
                  that no action of a definite nature was to be taken on  
                  this question this session. There was never an intention of forcing it. Therefore
                  this petition was unnecessary and uncalled for, as it only prayed for what the  
                  house had determined on long ago.
               
               
               
               
                  Mr. GLEN was glad to hear the assertion of the hon  
                  member, Mr Whiteway, that there was no intention of  
                  forcing this question. But this change had been effected  
                  by the voice of public opinion, and by the stand which  
                  he (Mr Glen) and his hon colleagues had taken in the  
                  matter. It was their intention to have forced it; and  
                  that was the opinion which he (Mr Glen) held in common with every right thinking man
                  in the community.  
                  When they found that it would have been impossible to  
                  carry it, they tried a measure which was very nearly  
                  successful. They said you are only required to affirm  
                  the principle, and we will go to the country on it. That  
                  desire had been persisted in until last Friday. He (Mr  
                  Glen) considered that it was necessary that they should  
                  be carefully and vigilantly watched yet. He had asked  
                  the hon Attorney General for a copy of his resolution  
                  a fortnight ago. Why had it not been laid before the  
                  house? It was not treating this house with proper respect, and tended to a continuance
                  of that alarm which  
                  existed in the public mind. The hon member, Mr Kent,  
                  when Premier, always had his resolutions before the  
                  House in ample time to discuss then. The only object  
                  which he (Mr Glen) had in opposing the matter was  
                  that he did not wish it to be decided until they went to  
                  the country.
 
               
               
               
               
                  Mr. KENT said that when the question of Confederation had first come before the house, he
                  had expressed his opinion in favor of it, but he had at the  
                  same time stated that rothing should be done without  
                  submitting it at first to the people. He was of that  
                  opinion stil. The Merchants had an undoubted constitutional right to petition this
                  House, and when it  
                  was considered how respectably that petition was  
                  signed, he felt that it would receive every consideration to which it was entitled.
                  It was a petition which  
                  would have no weight with the country at large. He  
                  thought that the condition of the people of this country was very similar to that
                  of Ireland; both countries  
                  had but one branch of industry to rely upon. In Ireland Agriculture was the staple
                  industry, and the  
                  people had to contend against the landlords, who  
                  were the most powerful and influential class. Here  
                  we were limitted to the fisheries. The merchants possessed the capital, and could
                  make what terms with  
                  the people they liked. If we could call up other  
                  pursuits to relieve our fisheries, we could create  
                  sources of employment which would render our operative population independent of the
                  fisheries, and the  
                  consequence would be an increased measure of material prosperity. Whether Confederation
                  would da  
                  this or not, he (Mr. Kent) was not prepared to say.  
                  It was entirely for the consideration of the people.
 
               
               
               
               
                  Mr RORKE was not in the House when this discussion began, but he had seen the petition and
                  considered it was a very reasonable one. It was a most mo  
                  mentous question, although it should have been divested of all the acerbity which
                  characterises political  
                  movements. He was sorry that that had not been altogether the case. He was not aware
                  that it was the  
                  intention of the Government to have forced this matter through this session. He was
                  surprised to find  
                  hon gentlemen opposite changing their opinions about  
                  the merchants so very quicklv. They consider them  
                  even honest good men; well truth will out, and he  
                  was glad to hear such acknowledgments from them.  
                  He would not detain the House at present, but he  
                  trusted that when the mutter came to be fully and  
                  properly discussed, hon gentlemen would approach it  
                  in a calm and proper spirit.
 
               
               
               
               
                  Mr. PROWSE.—The petition before the House was  
                  undoubtedly a class petition, but it emanated from a  
                  class whose respectability and influence necessarily  
                  gave it great weight. Looking at all the circumstances surrounding this question,
                  he (Mr P) could not  
                  but regard that petition as premature. Taking up  
                  the speeches of the delegates as published, and also  
                  the strong expression of opinion from other hon members of this house, could not the
                  movers of this Petition see that it was not the intention of the Government to force
                  this question through this house, this  
                  session? The assertions of hon members on this  
                  point could not have been stronger. The petition, he  
                  had no doubt, was well meant, but it was uncalled for  
                  and unnecessary, and there had been nothing in the  
                  speeches of hon members of this house, to warrant  
                  the alarm which appeared to be so universal amongst  
                  a certain class, and of which this petition had been the  
                  result. The hon member, Mr. March, deprecates the  
                  use of claptrap, and yet the hon gentleman actually  
                  talked of selling the country to the French Canadians.  
                  Could there be any viler or more obnoxious claptrap  
                  than that? Had not hon gentlemen stated that the  
                  Councilors were to receive ÂŁ100) a year? Did they  
                  not know that to be false? Of course they did—It  
                  was a gross perversion of the truth, and they who  
                  uttered it knew they were stating what was false. Was  
                  not that claptrap? If men were guilty of wilful perversion of the truth, they were
                  guily of claptrap,  
                  and failed in their duty to their country and to their  
                  constituents. He (Mr P.) had great respect for the  
                  petition just presented, but there was no occasion for  
                  it. There was no desire to press this matter on either side of the house. It merely
                  asked for what the  
                  Legislature had already determined on, and was  
                  therefore in his (Mr P's.) opinion premature.
 
               
               
               
               
                  Mr. RENOUF could not but express his delight at  
                  the remarks of the hon member for Placentia and St.  
                  Mary's, Mr Shea, that there was no desire to press  
                  this matter through the house this session. However  
                  this side of the house owed the hon the delegates  
                  nothing. It was only on account of the manly stand  
                  taken by him (Mr. R.) and colleages that that  
                  had taken place, Up to Friday last, they were persistent in their determination to
                  press this matter.  
                  What dip the refusal to give the resolution shew?  
                  Simply that we were to be taken by surprise, and  
                  this matter forced upon us. Now what a wonderful  
                  change had come over these gentlemen. They found  
                  that by dodging, they could not carry this question,  
                  and new with an assumed magnanimity they assure  
                  this house. that they never had any desire to press  
                  this question, or even have the principle affirmed by  
                  a mere majority. The action which we had taken in  
                  this matter was precisely the same which hon members  
                  in the other colonies had pursued. He thought that  
                  the petition before the house was a very respectable  
                  one. Every man had a right to petition this house,  
                  whether he were a prince or beggar. This petition  
                  dictated no terms, it merely asked for time to give it  
                  proper consideration. Was that an unreasonable  
                  request? Certainly not. He (Mr R.) was not in the  
                  house when this petition was presented, but he had  
                  heard the observations which the hon member, Mr.  
                  Shea, had made upon it, and he thought them most  
                  insulting and irrelevant to the subject before the  
                  house. He (Mr. R.) had the highest respect for the  
                  merchants who embarked their capital in the trade of  
                  the country, thus giving employment to the operative  
                  population. Could the Canadian merchants do more  
                  for us than our own did at present? He (Mr. Renouf)  
                  doubted whether they could afford us any benefit  
                  whatever. Capital and labour went hand in hand;  
                  and would we not rather see twelve mercantile houses  
                  rise in commercial prosperity than one should fall? 
                  Was it not a well known fact, that Mr. Walter Grieve  
                  had lost more than ÂŁ20,000 during the last two years;  
                  was it not impossible for us to live without the merchants? He (Mr Renouf) was glad
                  that this House  
                  had determined that this question of Confederation  
                  should be settled by the people. He considered that  
                  they were the proper persons to deal with it, and,  
                  therefore, could not endorse the opinion of Mr Prowse,  
                  that they were too wooden-headed to understand it.  
                  All that we contended for was that we had not the  
                  power delegated to us to definitively settle this matter without appealing to the
                  peÂşple, Will hon gentleman guarantee to us that they will not take a vote  
                  in this matter? If so the country would be perfectly  
                  satisfied. Then we would be able to believe them.  
                  We would have to watch them carefully still. 
 
               
               
               
               
                  Mr. WYATT could not agree with hon members  
                  when they said that this petition was premature. The  
                  Commercial Society had good reason to believe that  
                  it was the intention of hon members to press the matter this session, and thus pledge
                  the country. They  
                  had not before them at present that statistical information which was necessary to
                  induce them to give  
                  their consent to any hasty legislation on the subject.  
                  They had before them the opinion of the hon Atty.  
                  General that his resolutions, if passed, would pledge  
                  the country, and for ever settle the subject of Confederation. He thought that they
                  had a perfect right  
                  to present this petition. They wished that this matter should be carefully and attentively,
                  considered,  
                  and that the people of the country should have ample  
                  time to discuss it. He did not think that the Commercial Society, when they asked
                  to be furnished with  
                  information, and with copies of the documents received, had asked for anything that
                  was unfair or improper. The merchants had a deeper stake in the 
                  
                  
                  
                  interests of the country than any member in this  
                  House. With reference to the statement of the hon  
                  member for Twillingate and Fogo, Mr. Whiteway,  
                  about signing double petitions, all he (Mr Wyatt)  
                  could say in the matter was that those who required  
                  it were not members of the Commercial Society.
 
               
               
               
               
                  Mr.Talbot supported the prayer of the petition,  
                  out of deference to the opinions of so respeciable a  
                  body of men. One would think, however, that they  
                  were only a preel of niggars. He did not agree with  
                  the eulogiums that had been passed on that body  
                  by so many honourable gentlemen. They were no  
                  doubt, a very worthy set of men, but he did not think  that they had done so much
                  for the country, that we   
                  should be alarmed and frightened by this petition, 
                  and hold up our hand and exclaim "oh! the Commercial body have petitioned the House."
                  No one 
                  objected more to claptrap then he (Mr. Talbot) did 
                  he liked to take up every question, hold it up to the 
                  light, and see what was it. He did not think that  
                  their action in this matter was entirely for the benefit  
                  of the fishermen. They were the ones who reaped all  
                  benefit of the earnings of the fishermen. Their profits  
                  were immense, indeed it would be difficult to ascertain their limits. It was admitted,
                  however, that they  
                  would not stop there if by the process of grinding,  
                  they could grind anything more out of them before  
                  they left the country to spend their money elsewhere. 
                  They had certainly a perfect right to do this. There  
                  was then no great compliment between the fishermen  
                  and the merchants. They certainly do not bring 
                  their capital to this country; a few might have done   
                  
                  so, but, as a general rule it was all made here. They  
                  
                  make their money and spend it elsewhere, and leave  
                  the country as denuded as if a shilling had never been  
                  earned in it. If the merchants, after having made  
                  their money, settled down in this country and extended their business, it would be
                  one of the happiest  
                  countries in the world. Had the merchants ever established factories over the country
                  to afford employment to the people when the fisheries were over?  
                  No, therefore we see so much destitution and suffering. He (Mr. Talbot) was opposed
                  to confederation,  
                  as it was at present. He would like it if in reality it  
                  was confederation. He would however, like to see  
                  some beneficial result that would flow from it.
 
               
               
               
               
               
                  Mr.CASEY was of opinion that the petition from the  
                  Commercial Society was as much entitled to respect  
                  as that from any other society in the country. It  
                  was foolish for hon gentlemen to say that the interest  
                  of the merchants was not the interest of the fishermen.  
                  Their interests were bound up together, when the one  
                  was successful, both were benefitted. His (Mr.  
                  Casey's) opinion on this matter was not altered. However, he would refrain from making
                  any observations  
                  upon this great question until the 15th of the month.  
                  He thought the petition was in very good time, and  
                  deserved the earnest and thoughtful consideration of  
                  every member of this house.
 
               
               
               
               
                  Mr. E. D. SHEA.—It was very stale common  
                  place to say that this petition was entitled to respect.  
                  It was unnecessary for non gentlemen to have taken  
                  so much trouble to prove what every one admitted.  
                  That petition was the result of misconception. It  
                  had been represented to the merchants and overy one  
                  interested in the matter that it was the determination  
                  of this house to pass this matter the present session.  
                  Had it not been universally expressed that there was   
                  no such intention, so often did hon gentlemen declare  
                  that they did not believe it. It was of course necessary for them to make up a case,
                  so that we might  
                  appear as traitors, and they as the saviours of the  
                  country.They had no other way of lifting themselves 
                  up into a little popularity. It was perfectly true   that the hon. Attorney General
                  had said that if the  
                  resolution which he intended to prepare were passed,  
                  it would pledge the country. But did he not also say  
                  that he would place it on the table of that house for  
                  hon members to deal with it as they pleased. If so,  
                  how could it be contended that there was a desire to  
                  press the matter during this session? It was all very  
                  well for hon. gentlemen to say they disliked claptrap.  
                  But how could they get on without it? Did they not  
                  now find it very useful to serve their purposes? This  
                  petition only asked for what the house had already  
                  determined to give—ample time for the fullest enquiry to be had and the question thoroughly
                  tested. If  
                  confederation were then adopted every one would be  
                  satisfied. 
 
               
               
               
               
                  Hon. ATTORNEY GENERAL wished to make a few  
                  observations on some remarks that had fallen from  
                  the hon. member for Trinity, Mr. Wyatt, to the effect  
                  that the Government had not treated the Commercial  
                  Society with that respect to which they were entitled.   The Government were only
                  too happy at all times to  
                  furnish the Commercial body with any information  
                  that it was in their power to afford and which would  
                  be proper for them to give. It was the duty of the  
                  Government in the present matter to lay the documents which it had first before the
                  Legislature. There  
                  had been an application to be furnished with all documents on this subject, and they
                  were told that the  
                  Government at the time were possessed of none that  
                  were not already in the public papers. Despatches  
                  that were received afterwards, were with the Report  
                  of the Delegates, laid before the house. These documents had been furnished to the
                  Chamber of Commerce. It was, however, only right and proper that  
                  the representatives of the people should have them  
                  first. He (hon. Attorney General) thought that the  
                  Commercial Society had nothirg to complain of. It  
                  had certainly been his intention to lay before this  
                  house a Resolution which, if carried, would have definitively settled the question,
                  and if the other Colonies had entered this Confederation now, he should  
                  have felt bound to place the matter before the house  
                  this session for adoption or rejection.—Now, however, there was no necessity for such
                  a course. He  
                  would, however, say that in this proceeding the delegates were in no way responsible.
                  Entirely with himself must that responsibility rest.
 
               
               
               
               
                  Ordered that the petition lie on the table.
               
               
               
               
                  Mr. KAVANAGH presented a petition from Martin  
                  Kough and others of Quidi Vidi, and from Daniel  
                  Keeffe and others of Pouch Cove, which were severally received and read, praying for
                  grants to complete  
                  roads in these localities.
 
               
               
               
               
                  Ordered that these petitions lie on the table.
               
               
               
               
                  Mr. RENOUF gave notice that, on to-morrow, he  
                  would ask the Chairman of the Board of Works for 
                  copy of contracts for supplies for distressed fishermen  
                  emploed on the public works, also return of amount  
                  paid for such supplies to 31st ult.
 
               
               
               
               
                  Mr. TALBOT gave notice that, on to-morrow, he  
                  would ask the chairman of the Board of Works for for  
                  copies of tenders for supplying the several public  
                  Institution with provisions and other necessaries for  
                  the curent year, together with a return of the names  
                  of those whose tenders were accepted by the government.
 
               
               
               
               Also, that, on to-morrow, he would ask the Surveyor General to lay on the table of
                  the House a  
                  statement of the number of acres of Crown Land  
                  disposed of to purchasers during the last four years,  
                  distinguishing the number of acres in each year, the  
                  electoral districts in which they are situated, the  
                  names of purchasers, and the quantity purchased by  
                  each respectively,  and the number of acres brought  
                  under cultivation by each purchaser; also a statement  
                  of the description of crops produced on these lands  
                  respectively, of the pecular characteristics of the soil,  
                  
                  
                  
                  
                  
                  
                   
                  
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                  and of the average distance of these lands so disposed  
                  of from the sea shore, in each electoral district, and 
                  also similiar statements in reference to the four years 
                  immediately preceding 1861.
               
               
               
               
                  The 
Hon Receiver GENERAL, by command of his 
                  Excellency the Governor, presented to the house the 
                  following documents-
 
               
               
               
               
                  Consoldiated statement of expenditure for the relief 
                  of the poor for the year 1864.
               
               
               
               
                  Financial Secretary's Consolidated Statement of expenditure under Road Act 27th Vic.,
                  cap. 3.
               
               
               
               Report of Cashier of Newfoundland Savings' Bank.
               
               
               
               Ordered that these documents lie on the table.
               
               
               
               The hon COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command of his 
                  Excellency the Governor, presented to the house a 
                  statement of the number of trips made by the steamer 
                  Ariel to the north and west during the past season.
               
               
               
               
                  Ordered that this document be on the table.
               
               
               
               
                  On motion of the 
hon ATTORNEY GENERAL, pursuant to order of the day, the following Bills were 
                  severally read a third time and passed-
 
               
               
               The bill to continue the punishment of banishment 
                  in certain cases.
               
               
               
               The bill to make provision for the recovery of penalties becoming due upon upon the
                  forfeiture of certain 
                  recognisances.
               
               
               
               
                  The bill to enable courts of law to grant relief 
                  against advers claims made upon persons having no 
                  interest in the subject of such claims.
               
               
               
               The bill to regulate the office and duties of coroners.
               
               
               
               Ordered that the hon Attorney General and Mr. 
                  Whiteway take these bills to the Legislative Council 
                  for concurrence.
               
               
               
               On motion of the 
hon. Attorny General, pursuant 
                  to order if the day, the house resolved itself into 
                  committee of the whole on the further consideration 
                  of the bill to provide for the registration of births, 
                  marriages and deaths, Mr. Barron in the chair.
 
               
               
               
               
                  On motion of the 
hon. Attorny General the sections 
                  of the bill passed over when the committee last sat 
                  were read 
seriatum and adopted, with some amendments, and the committee rose and the chairman reported
                  the bill with amendments, which were read and 
                  concurred in. Third reading to-morrow.
 
               
               
               
               
                  On the motion of the 
hon. Attorny General, pursuant 
                  to order of the day, the house resolved itself into 
                  committee of the whole on the further consideration 
                  of the bill to make provision for wives and children 
                  deserted by their husbands and parents, and of parents 
                  deserted by their children, Mr Wyatt in the chair.
 
               
               
               
               
               On motion of the 
hon. Attorny General, the remaining sections of the bill were read and adopted, 
                  with some amendments, and the committee rose and 
                  the chairman reported the bill with amendments, 
                  which were read and concurred in. Third reading to- morrow.
 
               
               
               
               Mr. MOORE gave notice that on to-morrow he 
                  would ask the hon Colonial Secretary, if any, and 
                  what arrangement had been made to provide a suitable 
                  teamer for the steam packet service in Conception 
                  Bay.
 
               
               
               
               The house then adjourned until to-morrow at three 
                  o'clock.