LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.
               
               
               WEDNESDAY,
                  February 8, 1865.
               
               
                The Order of the Day for resuming the  
                  debate on the Resolution for a Union of the  
                  British North American Colonies, having been  
                  read,- 
                  
               
               
               
                  HON. GEORGE BROWN rose and said:   Mr.
                  SPEAKER, it is with no ordinary gratification I rise to address
                  the House on   this occasion. I cannot help feeling that   the struggle of
                  half a life-time for constitutional reform—the agitations in the
                  country,   and the fierce contests in this chamber—the   strife and the
                  discord and the abuse of many   years,—are all compensated by the great scheme
                  of reform which is now in your hands.   (Cheers.) The Attorney General
                  for Upper   Canada, as well as the Attorney General for   Lower Canada, in
                  addressing the House last   night, were anxious to have it understood that
                  this scheme for uniting British America   under one government, is
                  something different   from "representation by population," — is  
                  something different from "joint authority,"   —but is in fact the very scheme
                  of the   Government of which they were members in   1858. Now, sir, it is
                  all very well that my   honorable friends should receive credit for the  
                  large share they have contributed towards   maturing the measure before the
                  House;   but I could not help reflecting while they   spoke, that if this
                  was their very scheme in   1858, they succeeded wonderfully in bottling  
                  it up from all the world except themselves  (hear, hear)—and I could not help
                  regretting   that we had to wait till 1864 until this   mysterious plant
                  of 1858 was forced to fruition.   (Hear, hear, and laughter.) For myself, sir,
                  I   care not who gets the credit of this scheme,   —I believe it contains
                  the best features of all   the suggestions that have been made in the  
                  last ten years for the settlement of our troubles;   and the whole feeling in
                  my mind now is   one of joy and thankfulness that there were   found men
                  of position and influence in Canada   who, at a moment of serious crisis, had
                  nerve   and patriotism enough to cast aside political   partisanship, to
                  banish personal considerations, and unite for the accomplishment
                  of a   measure so fraught with advantage to their   common country.
                  (Cheers.) It was a bold   step in the then existing state of public feeling
                  for many members of the House to vote for   the Constitutional Committee
                  moved for by me   last session—it was a very bold step for many   of the
                  members of that committee to speak  
                  
 and vote candidly upon it—it was a still   bolder thing for many to
                  place their names to   the report that emanated from that committee,  
                  —but it was an infinitely bolder step for the gentlemen who now
                  occupy these treasury benches,   to brave the misconceptions and suspicions
                  that   would certainly attach to the act, and enter   the same Government.
                  And it is not to be   denied that such a Coalition demanded no   ordinary
                  justification. But who does not feel   that every one of us has to-day ample
                  justification and reward for all we did in the document now under discussion? (Cheers)
                  But   seven short months
                  have passed away since the   Coalition Government was formed, yet already
                  are we submitting a scheme well-weighed and   matured, for the erection
                  of a future empire,   —a scheme which has been received at home   and
                  abroad with almost universal approval.  
                  
 
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
                  HON. MR. BROWN —My hon. friend dissents from that, but is it possible truthfully to   deny it?
                  Has it not been approved and endorsed by the governments of five
                  separate   colonies ?—Has it not received the all but   unanimous approval
                  of the press of Canada?Has it not been heartily and unequivocally
                  endorsed by the electors of Canada ? (Cries of   hear, hear, and no,
                  no.) My honorable friend   opposite cries "no, no," but I say "yes, yes."
                  Since the Coalition was formed, and its policy   of Federal union
                  announced, there have been   no fewer than twenty-five parliamentary elections—fourteen
                  for members of the Upper   House, and eleven for
                  members of the Lower   House. At the fourteen Upper House contests, but three candidates
                  dared to show   themselves before the people in
                  opposition to   the Government scheme; and of these, two   were rejected,
                  and one—only one—succeeded   in finding a seat. (Hear, hear.) At the eleven
                  contests for the Lower House, but one candidate on either
                  side of politics ventured to oppose the scheme, and I hope that
                  even he will   yet cast his vote in favor of Confederation.   (Hear,
                  hear.) Of these twenty-five electoral   contests, fourteen were in Upper
                  Canada, but   not at one of them did a candidate appear in   opposition to
                  our scheme. And let it be observed how large a portion of the
                  country   these twenty-five electoral districts embraced.   It is true
                  that the eleven Lower House elections only included that number of
                  counties,   but the fourteen Upper House elections embraced no
                  fewer than forty counties. (Hear,   hear.) Of the 130 constituencies,
                  therefore,   into which Canada is divided for representation
                  
                  85 in this chamber, not fewer than fifty have   been
                  called on since our scheme was announced   to pronounce at the polls their
                  verdict upon it,   and at the whole of them but four candidates   on both
                  sides of politics ventured to give it   opposition. (Cheers.) Was I not right
                  then   in asserting that the electors of Canada had,   in the most marked
                  manner, pronounced in   favor of the scheme ? (Hear, hear.) And   will
                  honorable gentlemen deny that the people   and press of Great Britain have
                  received it   with acclamations of approval?—that the Government of England have cordially
                  endorsed   and accepted it?—aye, that even
                  the press  and the public men of the United States have   spoken of it
                  with a degree of respect they never   before accorded to any colonial
                  movement?   Sir, I venture to assert that no scheme of   equal magnitude,
                  ever placed before the world,   was received with higher eulogiums, with  
                  more universal approbation, than the measure we have new the honor
                  of submitting for the acceptance of the Canadian   Parliament.
                  And no higher eulogy could, I   think, be pronounced than that I heard a few
                  weeks ago from the lips of one of the foremost of British
                  statesmen, that the system of   government we proposed seemed to him a  
                  happy compound of the best features of the   British and American
                  Constitutions. And   well, Mr. SPEAKER, might our present attitude in Canada arrest
                  the earnest attention of   other countries. Here is a
                  people composed   of two distinct races, speaking different languages, with religious
                  and social and municipal and education
                  institutions totally different;   with sectional hostilities of such a
                  character as   to render government for many years well-nigh   impossible;
                  with a Constitution so unjust in   the view of one section as to justify any
                  resort   to enforce a remedy. And yet, sir, here we   sit, patiently and
                  temperately discussing how   these great evils and hostilities may justly
                  and amicably be swept away forever. (Hear,   hear.) We are endeavoring
                  to adjust harmoniously greater difficulties than have plunged
                  other countries into all the horrors of civil   war. We are striving to
                  do peacefully and   satisfactorily what Holland and Belgium, after   years
                  of strife, were unable to accomplish. We   are seeking by calm discussion to
                  settle questions that Austria and Hungary, that Denmark and Germany, that Russia and
                  Poland,   could only crush by the iron
                  heel of armed   force. We are seeking to do without foreign   intervention
                  that which deluged in blood the   sunny plains of Italy. We are striving to
                  settle forever issues hardly less momentous  
                  
 than those that have rent the neighboring republic and are
                  now exposing it to all the horrors of civil war. (Hear, hear.)
                  Have we   not then, Mr. SPEAKER, great cause of thankfulness
                  that we have found a better way for   the solution of our troubles than that
                  which   has entailed on other countries such deplorable
                  results? And should not every   one of us endeavor to rise to the magnitude
                  of the occasion, and earnestly seek to deal   with this question to the
                  end in the same   candid and conciliatory spirit in which, so   far, it
                  has been discussed? (Loud cries of   hear, hear.) The scene presented by this
                  chamber at this moment, I venture to affirm,   has few parallels in
                  history. One hundred   years have passed away since these provinces
                  became by conquest part of the British   Empire. I speak in no boastful
                  spirit—I   desire not for a moment to excite a painful   thought—what was
                  then the fortune of war   of the brave French nation, might have been  
                  ours on that well-fought field. I recall those   olden times merely to mark
                  the fact that here   sit to-day the descendants of the victors and   the
                  vanquished in the fight of 1759, with all   the differences of language,
                  religion, civil law,   and social habit, nearly as distinctly marked   as
                  they were a century ago. (Hear, hear.)   Here we sit to-day seeking amicably
                  to find a   remedy for constitutional evils and injustice   complained
                  of—by the vanquished? No, sir   —but complained of by the conquerors!  
                  (Cheers by the French Canadians.) Here   sit the representatives of the
                  British population claiming justice—only justice ; and here  
                  sit the representatives of the French population, discussing in
                  the French tongue whether   we shall have it. One hundred years have  
                  passed away since the conquest of Quebec,  but here sit the children of the
                  victor and the   vanquished, all avowing hearty attachment to   the
                  British Crown—all earnestly deliberating   how we shall best extend the
                  blessings of   British institutions—how a great people may   be
                  established on this continent in close and   hearty connection with Great
                  Britain. (Cheers.)   Where, sir, in the page of history, shall we   find a
                  parallel to this? Will it not stand as   an imperishable monument to the
                  generosity   of British rule? And it is not in Canada   alone that this
                  scene is being witnessed. Four   other colonies are at this moment occupied as
                  we are—declaring their hearty love for the   parent State, and
                  deliberating with us how   they may best discharge the great duty entrusted to their
                  hands, and give their aid in   developing the
                  teeming resources of these vast  
                  
                  86 possessions. And well, Mr. SPEAKER, may the   work we
                  have unitedly proposed rouse the   ambition and energy of every true man in
                  British America. Look, sir, at the map of   the continent of America,
                  and mark that   island (Newfoundland) commanding the mouth   of the noble
                  river that almost cuts our continent in twain. Well, sir, that
                  island is equal   in extent to the kingdom of Portugal. Cross   the
                  straits to the main land, and you touch   the hospitable shores of Nova
                  Scotia, a   country as large as the kingdom of Greece.   Then mark the
                  sister province of New   Brunswick—equal in extent to Denmark and  
                  Switzerland combined. Pass up the river St.   Lawrence to Lower Canada—a
                  country as   large as France. Pass on to Upper Canada,   —twenty thousand
                  square miles larger than   Great Britain and Ireland put together.   Cross
                  over the continent to the shores of the   Pacific, and you are in British
                  Columbia, the   land of golden promise,—equal in extent to   the Austrian
                  Empire. I speak not now of   the vast Indian Territories that lie betweengreater in
                  extent than the whole soil of Russia   —and that
                  will ere long, I trust, be opened up   to civilization under the auspices of
                  the British   American Confederation. (Cheers.) Well,   sir, the bold
                  scheme in your hands is nothing   less than to gather all these countries into
                  one   —to organize them all under one government,   with the protection of
                  the British flag, and in   heartiest sympathy and affection with our  
                  fellow-subjects in the land that gave us birth.   (Cheers.) Our scheme is to
                  establish a government that will seek to turn the tide of  
                  European emigration into this northern half   of the American continent—that
                  will strive to   develope its great natural resources—and that   will
                  endeavor to maintain liberty, and justice,   and christianity throughout the
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                HON. MR. BROWN —The hon. member for  
                  North Hastings asks when all this can be  
                  done? Sir, the whole great ends of this Confederation may not be realized in the lifetime
                  
                  of many who now hear me. We imagine not  
                  that such a structure can be built in a month  
                  or in a year. What we propose now is but to  
                  lay the foundations of the structure—to set in  
                  motion the governmental machine that will  
                  one day, we trust, extend from the Atlantic to  
                  the Pacific. And we take especial credit to  
                  ourselves that the system we have devised,  
                  while admirably adapted to our present situation, is capable of gradual and efficient
                  expansion in future years to meet all the great pur
poses
                  
                  contemplated by our scheme. But if the  honorable gentleman will only recall to mind
                  
                  that when the United States seceded from
                  the  
                  Mother Country, and for many years afterwards their population was not nearly equal
                  
                  to ours at this moment; that their internal  
                  improvements did not then approach to what  
                  we have already attained; and that their trade  
                  and commerce was not then a third of what  
                  ours has already reached; I think he will see  
                  that the fulfilment of our hopes may not be so  
                  very remote as at first sight might be imagined  
                  —(hear, hear.) And he will be strengthened  
                  in that conviction if he remembers that what  
                  we propose to do is to be done with the cordial  
                  sympathy and assistance of that
                  great Power  
                  of which it is our happiness to form a part.  
                  (Hear, hear.) Such, Mr. SPEAKER,
                  are the  
                  objects of attainment to which the British  
                  American Conference pledged itself in October. And said I not rightly that such a
                  scheme  
                  is well fitted to fire the ambition and rouse the  
                  energies of every member of this House?  
                  Does it not lift us above the petty politics of  
                  the past, and present to us high purposes  
                  and great interests that may
                  well call forth all  
                  the intellectual ability and all the energy and  
                  enterprise to be found among us ? (Cheers.)
                  
                  I readily admit all the gravity of the question  
                  —and that it ought to be considered cautiously  
                  and thoroughly before adoption. Far be it  
                  from me to deprecate the closest criticism, or  
                  to doubt for a moment the sincerity or patriotism of those who feel it their duty
                  to oppose  
                  the measure. But in considering a question  
                  on which hangs the future destiny of half a  
                  continent, ought not the spirit of mere fault- finding to be hushed ?—ought not the
                  voice of  
                  partisanship to be banished from our debates?  
                  —ought we not to sit down and discuss the  
                  arguments presented in the earnest and candid  
                  spirit of men, bound by the same interests,  
                  seeking a common end, and loving the same  
                  country? (Hear, hear, and
                  cheers.) Some  
                  honorable gentlemen seem to imagine that the  
                  members of Government have a deeper interest  
                  in this scheme than others—but what possible  
                  interest can any of us have except that which  
                  we share with every citizen of the land ? What  
                  risk does any one run from this measure in  
                  which all of us do not fully participate ? What  
                  possible inducement could we have to urge this  
                  scheme, except our earnest and heartfelt conviction that it will inure to the solid
                  and  
                  lasting advantage of our country ? (Hear,  
                  hear.) There is one consideration, Mr. SPEAKER, that cannot be banished from this
                  discussion, and that ought, I think, to be remembered  
                  
                  
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                  in every word we utter ; it is that the
                  constitutional system of Canada cannot remain as it  
                  is now. (Loud cries of hear, hear.) Something  
                  must be done. We cannot stand still. We  
                  cannot go back to chronic, sectional hostility  
                  and discord—to a state of perpetual Ministerial  
                  crises. The events of the last eight months  
                  cannot be obliterated ; the solemn admissions  
                  of men of all parties can never be erased. The  
                  claims of Upper Canada for justice must be  
                  met, and met now. I say, then, that every one  
                  who raises his voice in hostility to this measure  
                  is bound to keep before him, when he speaks,  
                  all the perilous consequences of its rejection,- I say that no man who has a true
                  regard for  
                  the well-being of Canada, can give a vote  
                  against this scheme, unless he is
                  prepared to  
                  offer, in amendment, some better remedy for  
                  the evils and injustice that have so long threatened the peace of our country. (Hear,
                  hear.)  
                  And not only must the scheme proposed in  
                  amendment be a better scheme—it
                  must be  
                  something that can be carried. (Hear, hear.)  
                  I see an honorable friend now before me, for  
                  whose opinions I have the very highest respect,  
                  who says to me : " Mr. BROWN, you should  
                  not have settled this part of the plan as you  
                  have done ; here is the way you should have  
                  framed it." " Well, my dear sir," is my reply,  
                  "I perfectly agree with you, but
                  it could not  
                  be done. Whether we ask for parliamentary  
                  reform for Canada alone or in
                  union with  
                  the Maritime Provinces, the French Canadians  
                  must have their views consulted as well as us.  
                  This scheme can be carried, and no scheme  
                  can be that has not the support
                  of both sections of the province."  
                  
 
               
               
               
               
               
                is the question ! 
               
               
                Hon.
                     Mr. BROWN —Yes, that is the question and the whole question. No
                  constitution  
                  ever framed was without defect; no act of  
                  human wisdom was ever free from
                  imperfection; no amount of talent and
                  wisdom and  
                  integrity combined in preparing such a scheme  
                  could have placed it beyond the
                  reach of criticism. And the framers of this
                  scheme had  
                  immense special difficulties to overcome. We  
                  had the prejudices of race and
                  language and  
                  religion to deal with; and we had
                  to encounter  
                  all the rivalries of trade and
                  commerce, and  
                  all the jealousies of diversified local interests.  
                  To assert, then, that our scheme
                  is without  
                  fault, would be folly. It was
                  necessarily the  
                  work of concession ; not one of
                  the thirty-three  
                  framers but had, on some points, to
                  yield his  
                  opinions; and, for myself, I freely admit that  
                  I struggled earnestly, for days
                  together, to  
                  
                  
                  have portions of the scheme amended. But,
                  
                  Mr. SPEAKER, admitting all
                  this—admitting  
                  all the difficulties that beset
                  us—admitting  
                  frankly that defects in the measure exist—I  
                  say that, taking the scheme as a whole, it has  
                  my cordial, enthusiastic support, without hesitation or reservation. (Hear,
                  hear.) I believe it will accomplish all, and more than all,  
                  that we, who have so long fought the battle of  
                  parliamentary reform, ever hoped to see accomplished. I believe that, while granting
                  security for local interests, it will give free scope  
                  for carrying out the will of the whole people  
                  in general matters—that it will draw closer  
                  the bonds that unite us to Great Britain—and  
                  that it will lay the foundations deep and  
                  strong of a powerful and prosperous people.  
                  (Cheers.) And if the House will allow me  
                  to trespass to a somewhat unusual degree on  
                  its indulgence, I am satisfied that I can clearly establish that such are the results
                  fairly to  
                  be anticipated from the measure. Mr. SPEAKER, there are two views in which
                  this scheme  
                  may be regarded, namely, the existing evils it  
                  will remedy, and the new advantages it will  
                  secure for us as a people. Let us begin by  
                  examining its remedial provisions. First, then,  
                  it applies a complete and satisfactory remedy  
                  to the injustice of the existing system of parliamentary representation. (Hear,
                  hear.) The  
                  people of Upper Canada have bitterly complained that though they numbered four hundred
                  thousand souls more than the population  
                  of Lower Canada, and though they have contributed three or four pounds to the general
                  
                  revenue for every pound contributed by the  
                  sister province, yet the Lower Canadians send  
                  to Parliament as many representatives as they  
                  do. Now, sir, the measure in your hands  
                  brings this injustice to an end ;-—it sweeps  
                  away the line of demarcation between the two  
                  sections on all matters common to the whole  
                  province ; it gives representation according to  
                  numbers wherever found in the House of Assembly ; and it provides a simple and convenient
                  system for re-adjusting the representation after each decennial census. (Cheers.)
                  
                  To this proposed constitution of the Lower  
                  Chamber, I have heard only two objections.  
                  It has been alleged that until after the census  
                  of 1871, the number of members is to remain as at present; but this is a mistake.
                  
                  Upper Canada is to receive from the start  
                  eighty-two representatives, and
                  Lower Canada  
                  sixty-five; and whatever increase the census  
                  of 1871 may establish will be
                  then adjusted.  
                  It has also been objected that though the resolutions provide that the existing Parliament
                  
                  
                  
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                  of Canada shall establish the electoral
                  divisions  
                  for the first organization of the Federal Parliament, they do not determine in whose
                  hands  
                  the duty of distributing any additional members is to be vested. No doubt on this
                  head  
                  need exist; the Federal Parliament will of  
                  course have full power to regulate all arrangements for the election of its own members.
                  
                  But I am told by Upper Canadians—the constitution of the Lower House is all well 
                  
                  enough, it is in the Upper House arrangements  
                  that the scheme is objectionable. And first,  
                  it is said that Upper Canada should have had  
                  in the Legislative Council a greater number  
                  of members than Lower Canada.- 
                  
 
               
               
               
               
               
               
                  HON. MR. BROWN —The honorable member for North Hastings is of that opinion;   but that honorable
                  gentleman is in favor   of a legislative union, and had we been forming a legislative
                  union, there might have   been some force in
                  the demand. But   the very essence of our compact is that   the union
                  shall be federal and not legislative. Our Lower Canada friends
                  have agreed   to give us representation by population in   the Lower
                  House, on the express condition   that they shall have equality in the Upper
                  House. On no other condition could we have   advanced a step; and, for
                  my part, I am quite   willing they should have it. In maintaining   the
                  existing sectional boundaries and handing   over the control of local matters
                  to local   bodies, we recognize, to a certain extent, a   diversity of
                  interests; and it was quite natural   that the protection for those interests,
                  by   equality in the Upper Chamber, should he   demanded by the less
                  numerous provinces.   Honorable gentlemen may say that it will   erect a
                  barrier in the Upper House against   the just influence that Upper Canada will
                  exercise, by her numbers, in the Lower House  over the
                  general legislation of the country.   That may be true, to a certain extent,
                  but   honorable gentlemen will bear in mind that   that barrier, be it
                  more or less, will not affect   money bills. (Hear, hear.) Hitherto we  
                  have been paying a vast proportion of the   taxes, with little or no control
                  over the expenditure. But, under this plan, by our   just
                  influence in the Lower Chamber; we   shall hold the purse strings. If, from
                  this   concession of equality in the Upper Chamber,   we are restrained
                  from forcing through measures which our friends of Lower Canada
                  may   consider injurious to their interests, we shall,   at any rate, have
                  power, which we never had   before, to prevent them from forcing through  
                  
 whatever we may deem unjust to us. I   think the compromise a fair one,
                  and am persuaded that it will work easily and satisfactorily. (Hear, hear.) But it
                  has been said   that the members
                  of the Upper House ought   not to be appointed by the Crown, but should  
                  continue to be elected by the people at large.   On that question my views
                  have been often   expressed. I have always been opposed to a   second
                  elective chamber, and I am so still,   from the conviction that two elective
                  houses   are inconsistent with the right working of the   British
                  parliamentary system. I voted, almost   alone, against the change when the
                  Council   was made elective, but I have lived to see a   vast majority of
                  those who did the deed wish   it had not been done. It is quite true, and I
                  am glad to acknowledge it, that many evils anticipated from
                  the change, when the measure   was adopted, have not been realized. (Hear,
                  hear.) I readily admit that men of the highest character and
                  position have been brought   into the Council by the elective system, but it
                  is equally true that the system of appointment   brought into it men of
                  the highest character   and position. Whether appointed by the Crown   or
                  elected by the people, since the introduction   of parliamentary government,
                  the men who have   composed the Upper House of this Legislature   have
                  been men who would have done honor to   any legislature in the world. But what
                  we   most feared was, that the Legislative Councillors would
                  be elected under party responsibilities; that a partisan spirit
                  would soon show   itself in the chamber; and that the right.   would soon
                  be asserted to an equal control   with this House over money bills. That fear
                  has not been realised to any dangerous extent.   But is it not possible
                  that such a claim might   ere long be asserted? Do we not hear, even  
                  now, mutterings of a coming demand for it?   Nor can we forget that the
                  elected members   came into that chamber gradually ; that the   large
                  number of old appointed members exercised much influence in
                  maintaining the old   forms of the House, the old style of debate,   and
                  the old barriers against encroachment on   the privileges of the commons. But
                  the appointed members of the Council are gradually  passing
                  away, and when the elective element   becomes supreme, who will venture to
                  affirm   that the Council would not claim that power   over money bills
                  which this House claims as of   right belonging to itself? Could they not
                  justly   say that they represent the people as well as we   do, and that
                  the control of the purse strings   ought, therefore, to belong to them as much
                  as   to us. (Hear, hear.) It is said they have not  
                  
                  89 the power. But what is to prevent them from   enforcing
                  it? Suppose we had a conservative   majority here, and a reform majority
                  aboveor a conservative majority above an a reform  
                  majority here—all elected under party obligations,—what is to
                  prevent a dead-lock between   the chambers? It may be called unconstitutional—but
                  what is to prevent the Councillors   (especially if
                  they feel that in the dispute of   the hour they have the country at their
                  back) from practically exercising all the powers that belong
                  to us? They might amend   our money bills, they might throw out all our  
                  bills if they liked, and bring to a stop the   whole machinery of government.
                  And what   could we do to prevent them? But, even   supposing this were
                  not the case, and that the   elective Upper House continued to be guided  
                  by that discretion which has heretofore actuated its
                  proceedings,—still, I think, we must   all feel that the election of members
                  for such   enormous districts as form the constituencies   of the Upper
                  House has become a great practical inconvenience. I say this from
                  personal   experience, having long taken an active interest in
                  the electoral contests in Upper Canada.   We have found greater difficulty in
                  inducing   candidates to offer for seats in the Upper   House, than in
                  getting ten times the number   for the Lower House. The constituencies are
                  so vast, that it is difficult to find gentlemen   who have the will to
                  incur the labor of such   a contest, who are sufficiently known and  
                  popular enough throughout districts so wide,   and who have money
                  enough—(hear)— to   pay the enormous bills, not incurred in any   corrupt
                  way,—do not fancy that I mean that   for a moment—but the bills that are sent
                  in   after the contest is over, and which the candidates are
                  compelled to pay if they ever hope   to present themselves for re-election.
                  (Hear,   hear.) But honorable gentlemen say—"This   is all very well, but
                  you are taking an important power out of the hands of the people,
                  which they now possess." Now this is a   mistake. We do not propose to
                  do anything   of the sort. What we propose is, that the   Upper House
                  shall be appointed from the best   men of the country by those holding the
                  confidence of the representatives of the people in   this
                  Chamber. It is proposed that the Government of the day, which only
                  lives by the approval of this Chamber, shall make the appointments, and be responsible
                  to the people   for the
                  selections they shall make. (Hear,   hear.) Not a single appointment could be
                  made, with regard to which the Government  would not be open to censure, and
                  which the 
                  
 representatives of the people, in this House,   would not have an
                  opportunity of condemning.   For myself, I have maintained the appointed  
                  principle, as in opposition to the elective, ever   since came into public
                  life, and have never   hesitated, when before the people, to state my  
                  opinions in the broadest manner; and yet not   in a single instance have I
                  ever found a constituency in Upper Canada, or a public meeting declaring its disapproval
                  of appointment   by the Crown and
                  its desire for election by the   people at large. When the change was made
                  in 1855 there was not a single petition from   the people asking for
                  it—it was in a manner   forced on the Legislature. The real reason   for
                  the change was, that before Responsible   Government was introduced into this
                  country,   while the old oligarchical system existed, the   Upper House
                  continuously and systematically was at war with the popular
                  branch, and   threw out every measure of a liberal tendency.
                  The result was, that in the famous   ninety-two resolutions the introduction
                  of the   elective principle into the Upper House was   declared to be
                  indispensable. So long as Mr.   ROBERT BALDWIN remained in public life,  
                  the thing could not be done; but when he   left, the deed was consummated. But
                  it is   said, that if the members are to be appointed   for life, the
                  number should be unlimitedthat, in the event of a dead lock
                  arising between that chamber and this, there should be   power
                  to overcome the difficulty by the appointment of more members.
                  Well, under   the British system, in the case of a legislative   union,
                  that might be a legitimate provision.   But honorable gentlemen must see that
                  the   limitation of the numbers in the Upper House   lies at the base of
                  the whole compact on   which this scheme rests. (Hear, hear.) It   is
                  perfectly clear, as was contended by those   who represented Lower Canada in
                  the Conference, that if the number of the Legislative Councillors was made capable
                  of increase, you would
                  thereby sweep away the   whole protection they had from the Upper  
                  Chamber. But it has been said that, though   you may not give the power to the
                  Executive   to increase the numbers of the Upper House,   in the event of
                  a dead-lock, you might limit   the term for which the members are appointed.
                  I was myself in favor of that proposition. I   thought it would be well
                  to provide for a   more frequent change in the composition of the   Upper
                  House, and lessen the danger of the   chamber being largely composed of
                  gentlemen   whose advanced years might forbid the punctual and
                  vigorous discharge of their public  
                  
                  90 duties. Still, the objection made to this was   very
                  strong. It was said: "Suppose you   appoint them for nine years, what will be
                  the   effect? For the last three or four years of'   their term they would
                  be anticipating its   expiry, and anxiously looking to the Administration of the day
                  for reappointment; and the   consequence
                  would be that a third of the members would be under the influence
                  of the Executive." The desire was to render the Upper   House
                  a thoroughly independent body—one   that would be in the best position to
                  canvass   dispassionately the measures of this House, and   stand up for
                  the public interests in opposition   to hasty or partisan legislation. It was
                  contended that there is no fear of a dead-lock.   We were
                  reminded how the system of appointing for life had worked in past
                  years, since   Responsible Government was introduced; we   were told that
                  the complaint was not then,   that the Upper Chamber had been too obstructive a body—not
                  that it had sought to restrain   the popular
                  will, but that it had too faithfully reflected the popular will.
                  Undoubtedly   that was the complaint formerly pressed upon   us—(hear,
                  hear)—and I readily admit that   if ever there was a body to whom we could
                  safely entrust the power which by this measure we propose to
                  confer on the members   of the Upper Chamber, it is the body of  
                  gentlemen who at this moment compose   the Legislative Council of Canada. The
                  forty-eight Councillors for Canada are to   be chosen from the present
                  chamber. There   are now thirty-four members from the one   section, and
                  thirty-five from the other. I   believe that of the sixty-nine, some will not
                  desire to make their appearance here again,   others, unhappily, from
                  years and infirmity,   may not have strength to do so; and there   may be
                  others who will not desire to qualify   under the Statute. It is quite clear
                  that when   twenty-four are selected for Upper Canada   and twenty-four
                  for Lower Canada, very few   indeed of the present House will be excluded
                  from the Federal Chamber; and I confess I   am not without hope that
                  there may be some   way yet found of providing for all who desire   it, an
                  honorable position in the Legislature   of the country. (Hear, hear.) And,
                  after   all, is it not an imaginary fear—that of a   dead-lock? Is it at
                  all probable that any   body of gentlemen who may compose the   Upper
                  House, appointed as they will be for   life, acting as they will do on
                  personal and   not party responsibility, possessing as they   must, a deep
                  stake in the welfare of the   country, and desirous as they must be of  
                  
 holding the esteem of their fellow subjectswould take so
                  unreasonable a course as to   imperil the whole political fabric? The  
                  British House of Peers itself does not venture,  
á l'outrance, to resist the popular will, and   can it be anticipated
                  that our Upper Chamber   would set itself rashly against the popular will?
                  If any fear is to be entertained in the matter, is it not
                  rather that the Councillors will   be found too thoroughly in harmony with the
                  popular feeling of the day? An we have   this satisfaction at any rate,
                  that, so far as its   first formation is concerned—so far as the present question
                  is concerned—we shall have a   body of gentlemen
                  in whom every confidence   may be placed. (Hear, hear.) But it is objected that in
                  the constitution of the Upper   House, so far as
                  Lower Canada is concerned,   the existing electoral divisions are to be
                  maintained, while, as regards Upper Canada, they   are to
                  be abolished—that the members from   Lower Canada are to sit as representing
                  the   divisions in which they reside or have their   property
                  qualification; while in Upper Canada there is no such arrangement.
                  Undoubtedly this is the fact; it has been so   arranged to
                  suit the peculiar position of this   section of the province. Our Lower Canada
                  friends felt that they had French Canadian   interests and British
                  interests to be protected,   and they conceived that the existing system 
                  
 
               
               
                of electoral divisions would give protection to   these separate interests. We,
                  in Upper Canada, on the other hand, were quite content   that
                  they should settle that among themselves, and maintain their
                  existing divisions if   they chose. But, so far as we in the west   were
                  concerned, we had no such separate interests to protect—we had no
                  diversities of   origin or language to reconcile—and we felt   that the
                  true interest of Upper Canada was   that her very best men should be sent to
                  the   Legislative Council, wherever they might   happen to reside or
                  wherever their property   was located. (Hear, hear.) If there is one  
                  evil in the American system which in my   mind stands out as preeminently its
                  greatest   defect, except universal suffrage, it is that   under that
                  Constitution the representatives of   the people must reside in the
                  constituencies   for which they sit. (Hear, hear.) The result   is that a
                  public man,—no matter what his   talent, or what his position—no matter how
                  necessary it may be for the interest of the   country that he should be
                  in public life, unless   he happens to belong to the political party  
                  popular for the time being in the constituency   where he resides, cannot
                  possibly find a seat  
                  
                  91 in Congress. And over and over again have we   seen the
                  very best men of the Republic, the   most illustrious names recorded in its
                  political   annals, driven out of the legislature of their   country,
                  simply because the majority in the   electoral division in which they lived
                  was of   a different political party from them. I do   think the British
                  system infinitely better than   that, securing as it does that public men may
                  be trained to public life, with the assured   conviction that if they
                  prove themselves worthy of public confidence, and gain a position
                  in the country, constituencies will always be   found to avail
                  themselves of their services, whatever be the political party to
                  which they may   adhere. You may make politicians by the   other, but
                  assuredly this is the way that statesmen are produced. But it is
                  further objected   that the property qualification of the members   of the
                  Upper House from Prince Edward Island and Newfoundland may be
                  either real or   personal estate, while in the others it is to be   real
                  estate alone. This is correct; but I fancy   it matters little to us upon what
                  species of   property our friends in Prince Edward Island   or in
                  Newfoundland base their qualification.   Here in Canada real estate is
                  abundant; every   one can obtain it; and admittedly by all it is   the
                  best qualification, if it be advisable to   have any property qualification at
                  all. But   in Newfoundland it would be exceedingly inconvenient to enforce such a
                  rule. The public lands there are
                  not even surveyed to any   considerable extent; the people are almost  
                  entirely engaged in fishing and commercial   pursuits, and to require a real
                  estate qualification would be practically to exclude some   of
                  its best public men from the Legislative   Council. Then in Prince Edward
                  Island a   large portion of the island is held in extensive
                  tracts by absentee proprietors and leased   to the settlers. A feud of long
                  standing has   been the result, and there would be some   difficulty in
                  finding landed proprietors who   would be acceptable to the people as members of the
                  Upper House. This also must   be remembered, that
                  it will be every different thing for a member from Newfoundland or Prince Edward Island
                  to attend the   Legislature at
                  Ottawa from what it is for one   of ourselves to there. He must give up  
                  not only his time, but the comfort and convenience of being near
                  home—and it is desirable   to throw no unnecessary obstacle in the way  
                  of our getting the very best men from these   provinces. (Hear.) But it is
                  further objected that these resolutions do not define how  
                  the legislative councillors are to be chosen at  
                   first. I apprehend, however, there is no doubt   whatever as regards
                  that. Clause 14 says:   "the first selection of the members to constitute
                  the Federal Legislative Council shall be made   from the members of the
                  now existing legislative councils, by the Crown, at the recommendation of the General
                  Executive Government, upon
                  the nomination of the respective   local governments." The clear meaning of
                  this clause simply is, that the present governments of the
                  several provinces are to   choose out of the existing bodies—so far as  
                  they can find gentlemen willing and qualified   to serve—the members who shall
                  at starting   compose the Federal Legislative Council;   that they are to
                  present the names so selected   to the Executive Council of British America
                  when constituted—and on the advice of that.   body the Councillors will
                  be appointed by the   Crown. (Hear.) And such has been the   spirit shown
                  from first to last in carrying out   the compact of July last by all the
                  parties to   it, that for one have no apprehension whatever
                  that full justice will not be done to the   party which may be a minority in
                  the Government, but is certainly not in a minority either   in
                  the country or in this House. I speak not   only of Upper Canada but of Lower
                  Canada   as well- 
                  
               
               
               
               
               
               
                  HON. MR. BROWN —My honorable friend  
                  laughs, but I assure him, and he will not say   I do so for the purpose of
                  deceiving him, that   having been present in Conference and in   Council,
                  having heard all the discussions and   well ascertained the feelings of all
                  associated   with me, I have not a shadow of a doubt on   my mind that
                  full justice will be done in the   selection of the first Federal Councillors,
                  not   only to those who may have been in the habit   of acting with me,
                  but also to those who have   acted with my honorable friend the member  
                  for Hochelaga. (Hear, hear.) Now, Mr.   SPEAKER, I believe I have answered
                  every   objection that has come from any quarter   against the proposed
                  constitution o the Federal Legislature. I am persuaded there is
                  not one well-founded objection that can be   urged against it. It is
                  just to all parties; it   remedies the gross injustice of the existing  
                  system; and I am convinced it will not only   work easily and safely, but be
                  entirely satisfactory to the great mass of our people. But   I
                  go further; I say that were all the objections urged against this
                  scheme sound and   cogent, they sink into utter insignificance in   view
                  of all the miseries this scheme will relieve us from,—in view of
                  all the difficulties  
                  
                  92
                  that must surround any measure of parliamentary reform for
                  Canada that could possibly be devised. (Cheers.) Will honorable
                  gentlemen who spend their energies in hunting out blemishes
                  in this scheme, remember   for a moment the utter injustice of the one  
                  we have at present? Public opinion has made   rapid strides in the last six
                  months on the representation question,—but think what it was  
                  a week before the present coalition was formed!   Remember how short a time
                  has elapsed since   the member for Peel (Hon. Mr. J. HILLYARD   CAMERON)
                  proposed to grant one additional   member to Upper Canada, and could not carry
                  even that. Remember that but a few weeks   ago the hon. member for
                  Hochelaga (Hon. Mr.   DORION), who now leads the crusade against   this
                  measure, publicly declared that five or six   additional members was all Upper
                  Canada was   entitled to, and that with these the Upper Canadians would be content
                  for many years to come.   (Hear, hear.) And when he
                  has reflected on   all this, let the man who is disposed to carp   at this
                  great measure of representative reform,   justify his conduct, if he can, to
                  the thousands   of disfranchised freeholders of Upper Canada   demanding
                  justice at our hands. (Cheers.)   For myself, sir, I unhesitatingly say, that
                  the   complete justice which this measure secures,   to the people of
                  Upper Canada in the vital   matter of parliamentary representation alone,
                  renders all the blemishes averred against   it utterly contemptible in
                  the balance.(Continued cheers.) But, Mr. SPEAKER, the   second
                  feature of this scheme as a remedial   measure is, that it removes, to a large
                  extent,   the injustice of which Upper Canada has complained
                  in financial matters. We in Upper   Canada have complained that though we paid
                  into the public treasury more than three-   fourths of the
                  whole revenue, we had less control over the system of taxation and
                  the expenditure of the public moneys than the   people of
                  Lower Canada. Well, sir, the   scheme in your hand remedies that. The  
                  absurd line of separation between the provinces is swept away for
                  general matters; we   are to have seventeen additional members in   the
                  house that holds the purse; and the taxpa ers of the country,
                  wherever they reside,   wil have their just share of influence over  
                  revenue and expenditure. (Hear, hear.) We   have also complained that immense
                  sums of   public money have been systematically taken   from the public
                  chest for local purposes of   Lower Canada, in which the people of Upper  
                  Canada had no interest whatever, though compelled to contribute
                  three-fourths of the cash. 
 
               
               
               
               
                Well, sir, this scheme remedies that. All local   matters are to be banished
                  from the General   Legislature; local governments are to have   control
                  over local affairs, and if our friends in   Lower Canada choose to be
                  extravagant, they   will have to bear the burden of it themselves.  
                  (Hear, hear.) No longer shall we have to   complain that one section pays the
                  cash while   the other spends it; hereafter, they who pay   will spend,
                  and they who spend more than they   ought will have to bear the brunt. (Hear,
                  hear.) It was a great thing to accomplish   this, if we had accomplished
                  nothing more,   —for if we look back on our doings of the last   fifteen
                  years, I think it will be acknowledged   that the greatest jobs perpetrated
                  were of a   local character—that our fiercest contests were   about local
                  matters that stirred up sectional   jealousies and indignation to its deepest
                  depth.   (Hear, hear.) We have further complained   that if a sum was
                  properly demanded for some   legitimate local purpose in one section, an  
                  equivalent sum had to be appropriated to the   other as an offset,—thereby
                  entailing prodigal   expenditure, and unnecessarily increasing the  
                  public debt. Well, sir, this scheme puts an   end to that. Each province is to
                  determine   for itself its own wants, and to find the money   to meet them
                  from its own resources. (Hear,   hear.) But, sir, I am told that though true
                  it is that local matters are to be separated and   the burden of local
                  expenditure placed upon   local shoulders, we have made an exception  
                  from that principle in providing that a subsidy   of eighty cents per head
                  shall be taken from   the federal chest and granted to the local  
                  governments for local purposes. Undoubtedly   this is the fact—and I do not
                  hesitate to admit   that it would have been better if this had been  
                  otherwise. I trust I commit no breach of   discretion in stating that in
                  Conference I was   one of the strongest advocates for defraying   the
                  whole of the local expenditures of the   local governments by means of direct
                  taxation, and that there were liberal men in all   sections
                  of the provinces who would gladly   have had it so arranged. But, Mr. SPEAKER,
                  there was one difficulty in the way—a difficult   which has often before
                  been encountered in this   world—and that difficulty was simply this, it  
                  could not be done. (Hear, and laughter.) We   could neither have carried it in
                  Conference   nor yet in any one of the existing provincial   legislatures.
                  Our friends in Lower Canada,   I am afraid, have a constitutional
                  disinclination   to direct taxation, and it was obvious that if   the
                  Confederation scheme had had attached to   it a provision for the imposition
                  of such a  
                  
                  93 system of taxation, my honorable friends opposite would have had a much better chance
                  of success in blowing the
                  bellows of agitation   than they now have. (Laughter, and cheers.)   The
                  objection, moreover, was not confined to   Lower Canada—all the Lower
                  Provinces stood   in exactly the same position. They have not   a
                  municipal system such as we have, discharging many of the
                  functions of government;   but their General Government performs all   the
                  duties which in Upper Canada devolve   upon our municipal councils, as well as
                  upon   Parliament. If then the Lower Provinces   had been asked to
                  maintain their customs   duties for federal purposes, and to impose on  
                  themselves by the same act direct taxation for   all their local purposes, the
                  chances of carrying   the scheme of union would have been greatly  
                  lessened. (Hear, hear.) But I apprehend   that if we did not succeed in
                  putting this   matter on the footing that would have been   the best, at
                  least we did the next best thing.   Two courses were open to us—either to
                  surrender to the local governments some source   of
                  indirect revenue, some tax which the General Government proposed
                  to retain,—or collect the money by the federal machinery, and
                  distribute it to the local governments for   local purposes. And we
                  decided in favor of   the latter. We asked the representatives of   the
                  different governments to estimate how   much they would require after the
                  inauguration of the federal system to carry on their  
                  local machinery. As at first presented to us,   the annual sum required for
                  all the provinces   was something like five millions of dollars—an  
                  amount that could not possibly have been allotted. The great
                  trouble was that some of   the governments are vastly more expensive  
                  than others—extensive countries, with sparse   populations, necessarily
                  requiring more money   per head for local government than countries   more
                  densely populated. But as any grant   given from the common chest, for local
                  purposes, to one province, must be extend to   all, on the
                  basis of population, it follows that   for every $1,000 given, for example, to
                  New   Brunswick, we must give over $1,300 to Nova   Scotia, $4,000 to
                  Lower Canada, and $6,000   to Upper Canada—thereby drawing from the  
                  federal exchequer much large sums than   these provinces needed for local
                  purposes.   The course we adopted then was this: We   formed a committee
                  of Finance Ministers and   made each of them go over his list of expenditures, lopping
                  off unnecessary services and   cutting down
                  every item to the lowest possible   figure. By this means we succeeded in
                  reducing the total annual subsidy required for   local
                  government to the sum of $2,630,000of which Lower Canada will
                  receive annually   $880,000, and Upper Canada $1,120,000. But  it is said
                  that in addition to her eighty cents   per head under this arrangement, New
                  Brunswick is to receive an extra grant from the   federal
                  chest of $63,000 annually for ten   years. Well, this is perfectly true. After
                  cutting down as I have explained the local   expenditures to the lowest
                  mark, it was found   that New Brunswick and Newfoundland could   not
                  possibly carry on their local governments   with the sum per head that would
                  suffice for   all the rest. New Brunswick imperatively   required $63,000
                  per annum beyond her   share, and we had either to find that sum for   her
                  or give up the hope of union. The   question then arose, would it not be
                  better to   give New Brunswick a special grant of   $63,000 for a limited
                  number of years, so that   her local revenues might have time to be  
                  developed, rather than increase the subsidy to   all the local governments,
                  thereby lacing   an additional burden on the federal exchequer   of over
                  eight hundred thousand dollars per   annum? We came unanimously to the conclusion
                  that the extra sum needed by New   Brunswick was too
                  small to be allowed to stand   in the way of union—we also determined that it
                  would be the height of absurdity to impose a   permanent burden on the
                  country of $800,000   a year, simply to escape a payment of $63,000   for
                  ten years—and so it came about that New   Brunswick got this extra grant—an
                  arrangement which received and receives now my   hearty
                  approval. (Hear, hear.) It is only   right to say, however, that New Brunswick
                  may possibly be in a position to do without   this money. The House is
                  aware that the   Federal Government is to assume the debts of   the
                  several provinces, each province being entitled to throw upon it a
                  debt of $25 per   head of its population. Should the debt of   any
                  province exceed $25 per head, it is to   pay interest on the excess to the
                  federal   treasury; but should it fall below $25 per   head, it is to
                  receive interest from the federal treasury on the difference
                  between its   actual debt and the debt to which it is entitled. Now, it so happens
                  that the existing   debt of New Brunswick is much
                  less than it   is entitled to throw on the Federal Government.
                  It is, however, under liability for   certain works, which if proceeded with
                  would   bring its debt up to the mark of $25 a head.   But if these works
                  are not proceeded with   New Brunswick will be entitled to a large  
                  
                  94 amount of annual interest from the federal   chest, and
                  that money is to be applied to the   reduction of the sixty-three thousand
                  extra   grant. (Hear, hear.) And this, moreover,   is not to be forgotten
                  as regards New Brunswick, that she brings into the union extensive railways now in
                  profitable operation, the   revenues from
                  which are to go into the federal   chest. (Hear.) A similar arrangement was
                  found necessary as regards the Island of   Newfoundland—it, too, being a
                  vast country   with a sparse population. It was found absolutely essential that an
                  additional grant   beyond eighty cents per head
                  should be made   to enable her Local Government to be properly   carried
                  on. But, in consideration of this   extra allowance, Newfoundland is to cede
                  to   the Federal Government her Crown lands and   minerals—and assuredly ,
                  if the reports of geologists are well founded, this arrangement
                  will   be as advantageous to us as it will be to the   inhabitants of
                  Newfoundland. I am persuaded then, Mr. SPEAKER, that the House
                  will feel with me that we in Canada have very   little to complain of in
                  regard to the subsidies   for local government. But if a doubt yet  
                  remains on the mind of any honorable member,   let him examine the Trade
                  Returns of the   several provinces, and he will see that, from   the large
                  quantity of dutiable goods consumed   in the Maritime Provinces, they have
                  received   no undue advantage under the arrangement.   Let this too ever
                  be kept in mind that the $2,630,000 to be distributed to the local governments from
                  the federal chest is to be in   full and final
                  extinguishment of all claims   hereafter for local purposes; and that if this
                  from any cause does not suffice, the local   governments must supply all
                  deficiencies from   direct tax on their own localities. (Hear,   hear.)
                  And let honorable members from   Upper Canada who carp at this annual subsidy, remember
                  for a moment what we pay   now, and they will
                  cease their grumbling.   Of all the money raised by the General Government for local
                  purposes in Canada, the   tax-payers of Upper
                  Canada now pay more   than three-fourths; but far from getting back   in
                  proportion to what they contribute, or even   in proportion to their
                  population, they do not   get one-half of the money spent for local  
                  purposes. But how different will it be under   Federation! Nine hundred
                  thousand people   will come into the union, who will contribute   to the
                  revenue quite as much, man for man,   as the Upper Canadians, and in the
                  distribution of the local subsidy we will receive our  
                  share on the basis of population. A very  
                   different arrangement from that we now endure.   (Hear, hear.) I confess
                  to you, sir, that one   of the strongest arguments in my mind for  
                  Confederation is the economical ideas of the   people of these Maritime
                  Provinces, and the conviction that the influence of their public
                  men in   our legislative halls will be most salutary in all   financial
                  matters. A more economical people it   would be difficult to find; their prime
                  ministers and their chief justices get but ÂŁ600   a year,
                  Halifax currency, and the rest of their   civil list is in much the same
                  proportion.   (Hear, hear.) But, Mr. SPEAKER, there is   another great
                  evil in our existing system that   this scheme remedies; it secures to the
                  people   of each province full control over the administration
                  of their own internal affairs. We in   Upper Canada have complained that the
                  minority of our representatives, the party defeated at the
                  polls of Upper Canada, have   been, year after year, kept in office by Lower
                  Canada votes, and that all the local patronage of our
                  section has been dispensed by   those who did not possess the confidence  
                  of the people. Well, sir, this scheme remedies   that. The local patronage
                  will be under local   control, and the wishes of the majority in   each
                  section will be carried out in all local   matters. (Hear, hear.) We have
                  complained   that the land system was not according to the   views of our
                  western people; that free lands   for actual settlers was the right policy for
                  us   —that the price of a piece of land squeezed   out of an immigrant was
                  no consideration   in comparison with the settlement among us   of a hardy
                  and industrious family; and that   the colonization road system was far from
                  satisfactory. Well, sir, this scheme remedies   that. Each province is
                  to have control of its   own crown lands, crown timber and crown  
                  minerals,—and will be free to take such steps   for developing them as each
                  deems best.(Hear, hear.) We have complained that local   works
                  of various kinds—roads, bridges and   landing piers, court houses, gaols and
                  other   structures—have been erected in an inequitable   and improvident
                  manner. Well, sir, this   scheme remedies that; all local works are to  
                  be constructed by the localities and defrayed   from local funds. And so on
                  through the whole   extensive details of internal local administration will this reform
                  extend. The people of   Upper Canada will
                  have the entire control of   their local matters, and will no longer have to
                  betake themselves to Quebec for leave to open   a road, to select a
                  county town, or appoint a   coroner. But I am told that to this general  
                  principle of placing all local matters under  
                  
                  95  local control, an exception has been made in   to
                  the common schools. (Hear, hear.)   The clause complained of is as
                  follows:- 
                  
               
               
               6. Education; saving the rights and
                  privileges  
                  which the Protestant or Catholic minority in  
                  both Canadas may possess as to their Denominational Schools at the time when the Union
                  
                  goes into operation.  
                  
               
               
               
                Now, I need hardly remind the House that 
                  I have always opposed and continue to oppose  
                  the system of sectarian education, so far as the  
                  public chest is concerned. I have never had  
                  any hesitation on that point. I have never  
                  been able to see why all the people of the  
                  province, to whatever sect they may belong,  
                  should not send their children to the same  
                  common schools to receive the ordinary  
                  branches of instruction. I regard the parent  
                  and the pastor as the best religious instructors—and so long as the religious faith
                  of the  
                  children is uninterfered with, and ample optunity afforded to the clergy to
                  give religious  
                  instruction to the children of their flocks, I  
                  cannot conceive any sound objection to mixed  
                  schools. But while in the Conference and  
                  elsewhere I have always maintained this view,  
                  and always given my vote against sectarian  
                  public schools, I am bound to admit, as I have  
                  always admitted, that the sectarian system,  
                  earned to the limited extent it has yet been in  
                  Upper Canada, and confined as it chiefly is to  
                  cities and towns, has not been a very great  
                  practical injury. The real cause of alarm was  
                  that the admission of the sectarian principle  
                  was there, and that at any moment it might  
                  be extended to such a degree as to split up  
                  our school system altogether. There are but  
                  a hundred separate schools in Upper Canada,  
                  out of some four thousand, and all Roman  
                  Catholic. But if the Roman Catholics are  
                  entitled to separate schools and to go on  
                  extending their operations, so are the members  
                  of the Church of England, the Presbyterians,  
                  the Methodists, and all other sects. No candid Roman Catholic will deny this for a
                  
                  moment; and there lay the great danger to  
                  our educational fabric, that the separate  
                  system might gradually extend itself until the  
                  whole country was studded with nurseries  
                  of sectarianism, most hurtful to the best  
                  interests of the province, and entailing an  
                  enormous expense to sustain the hosts of  
                  teachers that so prodigal a system of public  
                  instruction must inevitably entail. Now  
                  it is known to every honorable member of  
                  this House that an Act was passed in 1863,  
                  as a final settlement of this sectarian controversy. I was not in Quebec at the time,
                  but  
                  
                  if I had been here I would have voted
                  against  
                  that bill, because it extended the facilities for  
                  establishing separate schools. It had, however, this good feature, that it was accepted
                  
                  by the Roman Catholic authorities, and carried through Parliament as a final compromise
                  
                  of the question in Upper Canada. When,  
                  therefore, it was proposed that a provision  
                  should be inserted in the Confederation scheme  
                  to bind that compact of 1863 and declare it a  
                  final settlement, so that we should not be compelled, as we have been since 1849,
                  to stand  
                  constantly to our arms, awaiting fresh attacks  
                  upon our common school system, the proposition seemed to me one that was not rashly
                  
                  to be rejected. (Hear, hear.) I admit that,  
                  from my point of view, this is a blot on the  
                  scheme before the House, it is, confessedly, one  
                  of the concessions from our side that had to be  
                  made to secure this great measure of reform.  
                  But assuredly, I, for one, have not the slightest  
                  hesitation in accepting it as a necessary condition of the scheme of union, and doubly
                  acceptable must it be in the eyes of honorable gentlemen opposite, who were the authors
                  of the bill  
                  of 1863. (Cheers.) But it was
                  urged that  
                  though this arrangement might perhaps be fair  
                  as regards Upper Canada, it was not so as regards Lower Canada, for there were matters
                  of  
                  which the British population have long complained, and some amendments to the existing
                  School Act were required to secure them equal  
                  justice. Well, when this point was raised,  
                  gentlemen of all parties in Lower Canada at  
                  once expressed themselves prepared to treat it  
                  in a frank and conciliatory manner, with a  
                  view to removing any injustice that might be  
                  shown to exist; and on this understanding the  
                  educational clause was adopted by the Conference.  
                  
               
               
                MR. T. C. WALLBRIDGE —That destroys the power of the local legislatures to  
                  legislate upon the subject.  
                  
 
               
               
               
                  HON. MR. BROWN —I would like to know  
                  how much "power" the honorable gentleman has   now to legislate upon it? Let
                  him introduce   a bill to-day to annul the compact of 1863 and   repeal
                  all the sectarian school acts of Upper   Canada, and how many votes would he
                  get for   it? Would twenty members vote for it out   of the one hundred
                  and thirty who com   this House? If the honorable gentleman had   been
                  struggling for fifteen years, as I have   been, to save the school system of
                  Upper Canada from further extension of the sectarian  
                  element, he would have found precious little   diminution of power over it in
                  this very moderate compromise. And what says the hon
96orable gentleman to leaving the British population of Lower Canada in the unrestricted
                  were of the Local Legislature?
                  The Common   Schools of Lower Canada are not as in Upper   Canada—they are
                  almost entirely non-sectarian   Roman Catholic Schools. Does the honorable
                  gentleman, then, desire to compel the Protestants of Lower
                  Canada to avail themselves of   Roman Catholic institutions, or leave their
                  children without instruction? (Hear hear, and   cheers.) But, Mr.
                  SPEAKER, I am further in   favor of this scheme because it will bring to an
                  end the sectional discord between Upper and   Lower Canada. It sweeps
                  away the boundary   line between the provinces so far as regards   matters
                  common to the whole people—it places   all on an equal level—and the members
                  of   the Federal Legislature will meet at last as   citizens of a common
                  country. The questions   that used to excite the most hostile feelings  
                  among us have been taken away from the   General Legislature, and placed under
                  the   control of the local bodies. No man need   hereafter be debarred
                  from success in public   life because his views, however popular in his  
                  own section, are unpopular in the other,—for   he will not have to deal with
                  sectional questions ; and the temptation to the Government  
                  of the day to make capital out of local prejudices will be greatly
                  lessened, if not altogether   at an end. What has rendered prominent  
                  public men in one section utterly unpopular   in the other in past years? Has
                  it been our   views on trade and commerce—immigration   —land
                  settlement—the canal system—the   tariff,—or any other of the great questions
                  of national interest? No, sir, it was from our   views as to the
                  applying of public money   to local purposes—the allotment of public  
                  lands to local purposes,—the building of local   roads, bridges, and
                  landing-piers with public   funds—the chartering of ecclesiastical institutions—the
                  granting of public money for   sectarian
                  purposes—the interference with our   school system—and similar matters, that
                  the   hot feuds between Upper and Lower Canada   have chiefly arisen, and
                  caused our public men,   the more faithful they were to the opinions   and
                  wishes of one section, to be the more   unpopular in the other. A most happy
                  day   will it be for Canada when this bill goes into   effect, and all
                  these subjects of discord are   swept from the discussion of our Legislature.
                  (Hear.) But, Mr. SPEAKER, I am further in   favor of this scheme as a
                  remedial measure,   because it brings to an end the doubt that has   so
                  long hung over our position, and gives a stability to our future
                  in the eyes of the world that  
                  
 could not otherwise have been attended. (Repeated marks of
                  approval, but ironical cheers   from 
Hon. Mr.
                     HOLTON.) The hon. member   for Chateauguay cries "hear, hea" in
                  a very   credulous tone; but the hon. member should   be one of the very
                  last to express doubts on   this point. Has he not, for many years, admitted the absolute
                  necessity of constitutional   changes, ere
                  peace and prosperity could be established in our land? Has he not
                  taken part   in the contests to obtain those changes ? Has   he not
                  experienced the harsh and hostile feelings that have pervaded this
                  House and the   whole country? And did he not sign the report
                  of my committee last session, declaring a   Federal union to be the true
                  solution of our   troubles, political and constitutional? And   does the
                  honorable member think these matters   were not well known in the United
                  States,   and that the hope of our annexation to the   republic was not
                  kept alive by them from year   to year? Does he fancy that our discords  
                  and discontent were not well known in Great   Britain, and that the capitalist
                  and the emigrant were not influenced by our distractions?  
                  Does he fancy that people abroad, as well as   at home, did not perfectly
                  understand that   Upper Canada would not much longer submit   to the
                  injustice from which she suffered—and   that until the future relations of the
                  two sections were adjusted, no one could predict   safely what
                  our future position might be? But   when the measure before us has been
                  adopted   —when justice has been done to both sectionswhen all
                  are placed on an equal footing—when   the sectional matters that rent us have
                  been   handed over to sectional control—when sectional
                  expenditure shall be placed on sectional   shoulders—will not a sense of
                  security and   stability be inspired, which we never before   enjoyed and
                  never could have enjoyed under   existing circumstances? (Cheers.) Viewed
                  then, Mr. SPEAKER, from a merely Canadian   stand-point—viewed solely as
                  a remedial measure—I fearlessly assert that the scheme in your
                  hands is a just and satisfactory remedy for the   evils and injustice
                  that have so long distracted   the province—(cheers)—and so strongly do I
                  feel this, that were every word of objection   urged against our union
                  with the Maritime   Provinces just and true to the very letter, I   would
                  not hesitate to adopt the union as the   price of a measure of constitutional
                  reform in   Canada, so just and so complete as now proposed.
                  (Cheers.) But, Mr. SPEAKER, so far from   the objections urged against union
                  with the   Maritime Provinces being sound, so far from   union with them
                  being a drawback to this  
                  
                  97 measure, I regard it as the crowning advantage of the whole scheme. (Continued cheering.)
                  Sir, I make no
                  pretension to having   been in past years an advocate of the immediate union of the
                  British American Colonies. I
                  always felt and always said that no   statesman could doubt that such was the
                  best   and almost the certain future destiny of these   colonies; but I
                  doubted greatly whether the   right time for the movement had yet arrived.
                  I knew little of the Maritime Provinces or   the feelings of their
                  people ; the negotiations   for a union were likely to be difficult and long
                  protracted, and I was unwilling to accept the   hope of a measure so
                  remote and so uncertain   in lieu of the practical remedy for practical  
                  evils in Canada which we were earnestly seeking   to obtain, and which our own
                  Legislature had   the power immediately to grant. But of late,   sir, all
                  this has been changed. The circumstances are entirely altered. A
                  revolution   has occurred in Great Britain on the subject   of colonial
                  relations to the parent state—the   Government of the United States has become
                  a great warlike power—our commercial relations with the
                  republic are seriously threatened   —and every man in British America has now
                  placed before him for solution the practical   question, what shall be
                  done in view of the   changed relations on which we are about to   enter?
                  Shall we continue to struggle along   as isolated communities, or shall we
                  unite   cordially together to extend our commerce, to   develope the
                  resources of our country and to   defend our soil? But more than this—many
                  of us have learned, since we last met here, far   more of the Maritime
                  Provinces than we ever   did before. We have visited the Maritime  
                  Provinces—we have seen the country—we   have met the people and marked their
                  intelligence and their industry and their frugalitywe have investigated their public
                  affairs and   found them
                  satisfactory—we have discussed   terms of union with their statesmen and found
                  that no insuperable obstacle to union exists,   and no necessity for
                  long delay. We come   to the consideration of the question to-day in   a
                  totally different position from what we ever   did before—and if the House
                  will grant me   its indulgence, I think I can present unanswerable arguments to show
                  that this union   of all British America should
                  be heartily and   promptly accepted by all the provinces.   (Cheers) Mr.
                  SPEAKER, I am m favor of a   union of the British American Colonies, first,
                  because it will raise us from the attitude of a   number of
                  inconsiderable colonies into a great   and powerful people. (Cheers.) The
                  united  
                  
 population of Canada, Nova Scotia, New   Brunswick, Newfoundland and
                  Prince Edward   Island, is at this moment very close on four   millions of
                  souls. Now, there are in Europe   forty-eight Sovereign States, and out of
                  that   number there are only eleven having a greater   population than
                  these colonies united—(hear,   hear)—while three of the eleven are so little
                  ahead of us, that before the next census is   taken, in 1871, we shall
                  stand equal in population to the ninth Sovereign State of Europe.
                  (Hear.) Then, sir, the public revenues of   the united provinces for
                  1864 were $13,260,000, and their expenditures summed up to $12,507,000. And, large
                  as these sums may   appear, it is
                  satisfactory to know that the taxation of British America—were
                  there no reduction from present burdens, which I am   sure
                  there will be—will be one-third less per   head than the taxation of England
                  or   France. There are only five or six countries   in Europe in which the
                  taxation is less than   ours will be—and these, moreover, are either  
                  petty principalities or states which do not   enjoy a very high degree of
                  civilization.   (Hear.) Then, sir, as regards the Imports   and Exports of
                  the united provinces, they   summed up in 1863, to the following dimensions:- 
                  
 
               
               
               
                  
                  
                     
                     
                        
                        
                           
                           | Imports |  
                           
                           ................  |  
                           
                           $70,600,963 | 
                           
 
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Exports |  
                           
                           ................ |  
                           
                           66,846,604 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Total trade |  
                           
                           .......... |  
                           
                           $137,447,567 | 
                           
                        
                      
                   
               
               
               
                Now, sir, I should like honorable
                  gentlemen  
                  to notice this fact, that in 1793—long after  
                  the United States had achieved their independence and established a settled Government—their
                  exports and imports did not  
                  amount to one-third what ours do at this  
                  moment. (Cheers) There are few states in  
                  Europe, and those with a vastly greater population than ours, that can boast of anything
                  like  
                  the extent of foreign commerce
                  that now passes  
                  through our hands. (Hear.) Then,
                  sir, as  
                  to our agricultural resources, I find that  
                  45,638,854 acres have passed from the governments of these colonies into private hands,
                  
                  of which only 13,128,229 are yet tilled, and  
                  32,510,625 acres have still to be brought into  
                  cultivation. The whole of these forty-five millions are picked lands—most of them
                  selected  
                  by the early settlers in this country; and if  
                  our annual agricultural products are so great  
                  now, what will they be when the thirty-two  
                  millions yet to pass under the plough have  
                  been brought into cultivation?—and what will  
                  they not be when the vast tracts still held by  
                  Government are peopled with hardy settlers?  
                  
               
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                (Hear.)
                  According to the census of 1861,  
                  the value of the agricultural productions of  
                  the previous year in the united provinces of  
                  British America was $120,000,000; and if  
                  we add to that the garden products, and  
                  the improvements made on new lands by  
                  the agricultural laborers of the provinces,  
                  it will be found that the actual product of  
                  the industry of our farmers in that year  
                  was $150,000,000. (Hear, hear.) The  
                  assessed value of our farms—which is always  
                  greatly less than the real value—was
                  $550,000,000 in the year 1861. (Hear-.) Then,  
                  sir, in regard to the minerals of the united  
                  provinces—what vast fields of profitable industry will we have in the great coal beds
                  of  
                  Nova Scotia—in the iron deposits found all  
                  over the provinces—in the exhaustless copper  
                  regions of Lakes Huron and Superior and the  
                  Eastern Townships of Lower Canada—and  
                  in the gold mines of the Chaudière and Nova  
                  Scotia. And if the mind stretches from the  
                  western bounds of civilization through those  
                  great north-western regions, which we hope  
                  ere long will be ours, to the eastern slope of  
                  the Rocky Mountains, what vast sources of  
                  wealth to the fur trader, the miner, the gold  
                  hunter and the agriculturist, lie there ready  
                  to be developed. (Hear, hear.)
                  Nor can  
                  another source of wealth be altogether forgotten. The President of the United States
                  
                  is said recently to have declared that the  
                  produce of the petroleum wells of the United  
                  States will in half a dozen years pay off the  
                  whole national debt of the republic. Well,  
                  sir, we too have "struck oil," and every day  
                  brings us intelligence of fresh discoveries(hear, hear, and laughter)—and if the enormous
                  debt of our neighbors may possibly be  
                  met by the oily stream, may we not hope  
                  that some material addition to our annual  
                  industrial revenue may flow from our petroleum regions? (Hear, hear.) Another vast
                  
                  branch of British American industry is the timber and lumber trade. In the year 1862,
                  our  
                  saw-mills turned out not less than 772,000,000 feet of manufactured lumber, and our
                  whole  
                  timber exports summed up to the value of  
                  fifteen millions of dollars. (Hear, hear.) The  
                  manufacturing interests of the provinces, too,  
                  are fast rising into importance; agricultural  
                  implement works, woollen factories and cotton  
                  mills, tanneries and shoe factories, iron works  
                  and rolling mills, flax works and paper mills,  
                  and many other extensive and profitable mechanical establishments are springing up
                  among  
                  us, and rapidly extending their operations.  
                  (Hear, hear.) And to add to all, we have  
                  
                  already 2,500 miles of railway, 4,000
                  miles of  
                  electric telegraph, and the noblest canal system  
                  in the world, but which, I hope, will soon be  
                  infinitely improved. (Cheers) These, Mr.  
                  SPEAKER, are some examples of the industrial  
                  spectacle British America will present after  
                  the union has been accomplished; and I ask  
                  any member of this House to say whether we  
                  will not, when thus united,
                  occupy a position  
                  in the eyes of the world, and command a degree of respect and influence that we never
                  
                  can enjoy as separate provinces? (Hear, hear.)  
                  Must it not affect the decision of many an  
                  intending emigrant, when he is told not  
                  of the fishing and mining pursuits of Nova  
                  Scotia, or of the ship-building of New Brunswick, or of the timber trade of Lower
                  Canada,  
                  or of the agriculture of Upper Canada, but  
                  when he is shown all these in one view, as  
                  the collective industrial pursuits of British  
                  America? (Hear, hear.) I am persuaded  
                  that this union will inspire new confidence in  
                  our stability, and exercise the most beneficial  
                  influence on all our affairs. I believe it will  
                  raise the value of our public securities, that it  
                  will draw capital to our shores, and secure the  
                  prosecution of all legitimate enterprises;
                  and  
                  what I saw, while in England, a few weeks  
                  ago, would alone have convinced me of this.
                  
                  Wherever you went you encountered the most
                  
                  marked evidence of the gratification with which  
                  the Confederation scheme was received by all  
                  classes of the people, and the deep interest  
                  taken in its success. Let me state one fact in  
                  illustration. For some time previous to November last our securities had gone very
                  low  
                  down in the market, in consequence, as my  
                  honorable friend the Finance Minister explained the other night, of the war raging
                  
                  on our borders, the uncertainty which hung  
                  over the future of this province, and the  
                  fear that we might be involved in trouble with  
                  our neighbors. Our five per cent. debentures  
                  went down in the market so low as 71, but  
                  they recovered from 71 to 75, I think, upon  
                  the day the resolutions for Confederation,  
                  which we are now discussing, reached London.  
                  Well, sir, the resolutions were published in the  
                  London papers, with eulogistic editorial articles, and the immediate effect of the
                  scheme  
                  upon the public mind was such that our five  
                  per cents. rose from 75 to 92. (Hear, hear.)  
                  
               
               
               
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —I will presently tell  
                  the honorable gentleman what has put them  
                  down since. But I say that, if anything  
                  could show more clearly than another the  
                  
                  
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                  effect
                  this union is to have on our position over  
                  the world, it is a fact like this, that our securities went up 17 per cent. in consequence
                  of  
                  the publication of the details of our scheme.  
                  (Hear, hear.) The honorable
                  member for  
                  Chateauguay asks, "What put them down  
                  again?" I will tell him. They remained at  
                  91 or 92 until the news came that a raid had  
                  been made from Canada into the United  
                  States, that the raiders had been arrested and  
                  brought before a Canadian Court, and that  
                  upon technical legal grounds, not only had  
                  they been set free, but the money of which  
                  they had robbed the banks had been handed  
                  over to the robbers. The effect of this news,  
                  coupled with General DIX's order, was to  
                  drive down our securities 11 per
                  cent. almost  
                  in one day. (Hear, hear.) But, as my honorable friend the Finance Minister suggests,
                  
                  this is but an additional roof of the accuracy  
                  of the argument I have been
                  sustaining—for  
                  this would not have happened, at all events to  
                  the same extent, if all the provinces had been  
                  united and prepared, as we are now proposing,  
                  not only for purposes of
                  commerce but for purposes of defence. (Hear, hear.) But secondly,  
                  Mr. SPEAKER, I go heartily for the union,  
                  because it will throw down the barriers of  
                  trade and give us the control of a market of  
                  four millions of people. (Hear, hear.) What  
                  one thing has contributed so much to the wondrous material progress of the United
                  States  
                  as the free passage of their products from one  
                  State to another? What has tended so much  
                  to the rapid advance of all branches of their  
                  industry, as the vast extent of their home  
                  market, creating an unlimited demand for all  
                  the commodities of daily use, and stimulating  
                  the energy and ingenuity of producers? Sir,  
                  I confess to you that in my mind this one  
                  view of the union—the addition of nearly a  
                  million of people to our home
                  consumerssweeps aside all the petty objections that are  
                  averred against the scheme. What, in comparison with this great gain to our farmers
                  and  
                  manufacturers, are even the fallacious money  
                  objections which the imaginations of honorable  
                  gentlemen opposite have summoned up? All  
                  over the world we find nations eagerly longing  
                  to extend their domains, spending large sums  
                  and waging protracted wars to themselves of more territory, untilled and uninhabited.
                  (Hear, hear.) Other countries offer
                  
                  large inducements to foreigners to emigrate to  
                  their shores—free passages, free
                  lands, and free  
                  food and implements to start them in the  
                  world. We, ourselves, support costly establishments to attract immigrants to our coun
try, and are satisfied when our annual
                  outlay  
                  brings us fifteen or twenty thousand souls.  
                  But here, sir, is a proposal which is to add, in  
                  one day, near a million of souls to our population—to add valuable territories to
                  our domain,  
                  and secure to us all the advantages of a large  
                  and profitable commerce, now existing. And  
                  because some of us would have liked certain of  
                  the little details otherwise arranged, we are to  
                  hesitate in accepting this alliance! (Hear, hear.)  
                  Have honorable gentlemen forgotten that the  
                  United States gladly paid twenty millions in  
                  hard cash to have Louisiana incorporated in  
                  the Republic? But what was Louisiana then  
                  to the Americans, in comparison with what  
                  the Maritime Provinces are at this moment to  
                  Canada? I put it to honorable gentlemen  
                  opposite—if the United States were now to  
                  offer us the State of Maine, what possible  
                  sum could be named within the compass of  
                  our ability that we would not be prepared to  
                  pay for that addition to our country? (Hear,  
                  hear.) If we were offered Michigan, Iowa or  
                  Minnesota, I would like to know what sum  
                  within the compass of Canada, we
                  would  
                  not be prepared to pay? These are portions  
                  of a foreign country, but here is a people  
                  owning the same allegiance as ourselves, loving  
                  the same old sod, enjoying the same laws
                  and  
                  institutions, actuated by the same
                  impulses  
                  and social customs,—and yet when it is proposed that they shall unite with us for
                  purposes of commerce, for the defence of our  
                  common country, and to develope the vast  
                  natural resources of our united domains, we  
                  hesitate to adopt it! If a Canadian goes  
                  now to Nova Scotia or New Brunswick, or  
                  if a citizen of these provinces comes here,  
                  it is like going to a foreign country. The  
                  customs officer meets you at the frontier,  
                  arrests your progress, and levies his imposts on your effects. But the proposal  
                  now before us is to throw down all barriers  
                  between the provinces—to make a citizen of  
                  one, citizen of the whole; the proposal is,  
                  that our farmers and manufacturers and  
                  mechanics shall carry their wares unquestioned  
                  into every village of the Maritime Provinces;  
                  and that they shall with equal freedom bring  
                  their fish, and their coal, and their West India  
                  produce to our three millions of inhabitants.  
                  The proposal is, that the law courts, and  
                  the schools, and the professional and industrial walks of life, throughout all the
                  
                  provinces, shall be thrown equally open to us  
                  all. (Hear, hear). But, thirdly, Mr. SPEAKER,  
                  I am in favor of a union of the provinces
                  
                  because—and I call the attention
                  of honorable  
                  
 
               
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                gentlemen opposite
                  to it—because it will make  
                  us the third maritime state of the world.  
                  (Hear, hear.) When this union is accomplished, but two countries in the world will
                  
                  be superior in maritime influence to British  
                  America—and those are Great Britain and  
                  the United States. (Hear, hear.) In 1863,  
                  no fewer than 628 vessels were built in British  
                  America, of which the aggregate tonnage was  
                  not less than 230,312 tons. (Hear, hear.)  
                  There were built- 
                  
               
               
               
                  
                  
                     
                     
                        
                        
                           
                            | 
                           
                            | 
                           
                           Vessels. | 
                           
                            |  
                           
                           Tons. | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | In Canada |  
                           
                           ............ |  
                           
                           158 |  
                           
                           with . . . |  
                           
                           67,209 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | " Nova Scotia |  
                           
                           ........ |  
                           
                           207 |  
                           
                           " . . . |  
                           
                           46,862 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | " New Brunswick |  
                           
                           ...... |  
                           
                           137 |  
                           
                           " .. |  
                           
                           85,250 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | " Prince Edward Island | 
                           
                            |  
                           
                           100 |  
                           
                           " . . . |  
                           
                           24,991 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | " Newfoundland |  
                           
                           ....... |  
                           
                           26 |  
                           
                           " . . . |  
                           
                           6,000 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Total |  
                           
                           ............. |  
                           
                           628 |  
                           
                           ...... |  
                           
                           230,312 | 
                           
                        
                      
                   
               
               
               
               
                Now, sir, in 1861—the year preceding the  
                  outbreak of the civil war—all the vessels  
                  built in the United States, with their vast  
                  seaboard and thirty millions of
                  people, were  
                  in the aggregate but 233,193 tons—only  
                  three thousand tons in excess of the British  
                  American Provinces. (Hear, hear.) And I  
                  hesitate not to affirm that if the
                  people of  
                  British America unite cordially together in  
                  utilizing the singular facilities we unitedly  
                  possess for the extension of the shipping and  
                  ship-building interests, many years will not  
                  elapse before we greatly surpass our neighbors  
                  in this lucrative branch of industry. (Cheers)
                  
                  
               
               
                HON. MR. HOLTON —How much of the  
                  shipping built in that year do we own now?  
                  
 
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —How much of what  
                  the Americans built in 1861 do they own  
                  now? Why is my honorable friend so anxious  
                  to decry the industry of his country? If we  
                  have not the ships it is because we sold them,  
                  and the money is in our pockets, and we are  
                  ready to build more. In 1863 we sold ships  
                  built by our mechanics to the large amount  
                  of $9,000,000 in gold. (Cheers) But if my  
                  honorable friend from Chateauguay will permit  
                  me, I am going on to indoctrinate him upon  
                  the point of the ownership of vessels- 
                  
 
               
               
               
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —Ah! my honorable  
                  friend does not require to be instructed; well,  
                  will he tell us how many tons of shipping are  
                  now owned by British America?  
                  
 
               
               
                HON. MR. HOLTON —I am aware that  
                  most of the vessels my honorable friend speaks  
                  of, and the building of which he cites as a  
                  proof that we will be a great maritime power,  
                  were sold abroad. Building ships is a good  
                  thing, and selling them is a better, but that  
                  
                  
                  
                  does not prove us to be a great maritime  power.  
                  
 
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —My honorable friend  
                  cannot eat his cake and have it too. If we  
                  got $9,000,000 for a portion of
                  the ships we  
                  built in 1863, it is clear we cannot own them  
                  also. It did not require a man of great wisdom to find out that. (Laughter.) But I
                  
                  was going on to show the amount of shipping  
                  that was owned in these provinces.  
                  hold in my hand a statement of the vessels
                  
                  owned an registered in British America,  
                  made up to the latest dates, and I find  
                  that the provinces unitedly own not fewer  
                  than 8,530 vessels, with an aggregate tonnage  
                  of not less than 932,246 tons.  
                  
 
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —Why is my honorable friend from Chateauguay so anxious to  
                  depreciate? Is it then so deplorable a thing  
                  to own inland vessels? None knows better  
                  than my honorable friend when to buy and  
                  when to sell—and yet, I greatly mistake if  
                  there was not a time when my honorable  
                  friend thought it not so bad a thing to be the  
                  owner of ships and steamers on our inland  
                  seas. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) Am I  
                  wrong in believing that my honorable friend  
                  laid the foundation of his well-merited fortune  
                  in the carrying trade of the lakes?—and is it  
                  for him, from momentary partisanship, to  
                  depreciate such an important branch of  
                  national industry? What matters where  
                  the ship floats, if she is a good and a sound  
                  ship ?—and the inland tonnage includes so  
                  many steamers, that in value it will compare  
                  favorably with that of the seagoing. On the  
                  3lst December,- 
                  
 
               
               
               
                  
                  
                     
                     
                        
                        
                        
                           
                            | 
                           
                            | 
                           
                            | 
                           
                           Vessels. | 
                           
                            |  
                           
                           Tons. |  
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | 1864, |  
                           
                           Canada owned |  
                           
                           ........ |  
                           
                           2,311 |  
                           
                           .. |  
                           
                           287,187 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | 1863, |  
                           
                           Nova Scotia |  
                           
                           ......... |  
                           
                           3,539 |  
                           
                           .. |  
                           
                           309,554 |  
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | 1863, |  
                           
                           New Brunswick |  
                           
                           ...... |  
                           
                           891 |  
                           
                           .. |  
                           
                           211,680 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | 1863, |  
                           
                           Prince Edward Island. |  
                           
                           .. |  
                           
                           360 |  
                           
                           .. |  
                           
                           34,222 |  
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | 1863, |  
                           
                           Newfoundland |  
                           
                           ........ |  
                           
                           1,429 |  
                           
                           .. |  
                           
                           89,603 |  
                        
                        
                        
                           
                            |  
                           
                           Total |  
                           
                           ............. |  
                           
                           8,530 | 
                           
                            |  
                           
                           932,246 | 
                           
                        
                      
                   
               
               
               
                Now, sir, it is quite true that the
                  United  
                  States have a much larger commercial navy  
                  than this, and Great Britain a vastly larger  
                  one—but it is equally true that the country  
                  next to them in importance is France, and  
                  that notwithstanding her thirty-five millions  
                  of people, large foreign trade, and extensive  
                  sea-coast, she owns but 60,000
                  tons of ship101ping more than British America. (Hear,  
                  hear.) In 1860, the aggregate commercial  
                  navy of France was but 996,124 tons. I  
                  say then, that even as ship-owners, the British  
                  American Confederacy will occupy from the  
                  first, a proud place among the Maritime  
                  States of the world—and that when
                  all her  
                  ships hoist a distinctive flag alongside the  
                  Cross of Red, there will be few seas in which it  
                  will not be unfurled. And let me here mention  
                  a fact which came under my notice while recently in the Lower Provinces—a fact of
                  great  
                  importance, and from which, I think, we, who  
                  are more inland, may well profit. I learned  
                  that, as in the British Isles, a
                  system of joint-  
                  stock ship-building has been spreading over  
                  many parts of the Maritime Provinces. Ships  
                  are built and owned in small shares—say in  
                  sixteenth, thirty-second, or
                  sixty-fourth parts,  
                  and all classes of the people are taking small  
                  ventures in the trade. Most of
                  the ships so  
                  built are sold, but a portion, and an increasing  
                  portion, every year, are sailed, and sailed with  
                  profit, by the original joint-stock
                  builders.  
                  (Hear, hear.) I was delighted to be told  
                  that some of those clipper
                  vessels which we  
                  often hear of as making wonderful trips from  
                  China and India and Australia to British  
                  ports, are vessels built and
                  owned in New  
                  Brunswick, under this joint-stock system.  
                  (Hear, hear.) So much for the building and  
                  ownership of ships. Now let me show you  
                  what will be the strength of the united provinces in seafaring men. By the census
                  of  
                  1861, it appears that the numbers of sailors  
                  and fishermen were then- 
                  
               
               
               
                  
                  
                     
                     
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | In Canada |  
                           
                           ........... . . . . . |  
                           
                           5,958 |  
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | In Nova Scotia |  
                           
                           .............. |  
                           
                           19,637 |  
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | In New Brunswick |  
                           
                           ........... |  
                           
                           2,765 |  
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | In Prince Edward Island |  
                           
                           ...... |  
                           
                           2,318 |  
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | In Newfoundland |  
                           
                           ............ |  
                           
                           38,578 |  
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Total |  
                           
                           ............. |  
                           
                           69,256 | 
                           
                        
                      
                   
               
               
               
                Whether regarded
                  merely as a lucrative  
                  branch of industry, or as affecting our maritime position before the world, or as
                  a bulwark  
                  of defence in time of need, this one fact that  
                  British America will have a combined force  
                  of seventy thousand seamen, appears to me an  
                  immense argument in favor of the union.  
                  (Hear, hear.) And let us look at
                  the products of the labor of a portion of these men  
                  —the fishermen. From the latest returns I  
                  have been able to meet with, I find the joint  
                  products of our sea-coasts and inland lakes  
                  were, in the years named, estimated at the  
                  following values:- 
                  
               
               
               
               
                  
                  
                     
                     
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Upper Canada, 1859 |  
                           
                           ........... |  
                           
                           $ 380 000 |  
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Lower Canada, 1862 |  
                           
                           ........... |  
                           
                           703,895 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Nova Scotia, 1861 |  
                           
                           ............ |  
                           
                           2,072,081 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | New Brunswick, 1861 |  
                           
                           .......... |  
                           
                           518,530 | 
                           
 
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Newfoundland, 1861 |  
                           
                           ........... |  
                           
                           6,347,730 |  
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Total |  
                           
                           .............. |  
                           
                           $10,022,236 |  
                        
                      
                   
               
               
               
                (Hear, hear.) I was unable to find an  
                  estimate as regards Prince Edward Island,  
                  but fancy the amount there must be about  
                  $200,000. But, be this as it may,
                  so valuable  
                  a fishing trade as this of the united provinces  
                  does not exist in any part of the world. And  
                  no doubt these estimates are far under the  
                  fact, as a large portion of the delicious food  
                  drawn by our people from the sea and inland  
                  waters could not possibly be included in the  
                  returns of the fishery inspectors. (Hear,  
                  hear.) And let us observe, for a moment, the  
                  important part played by this fishing industry  
                  in the foreign commerce of the provinces.  
                  The exports of products of the sea in the year  
                  1863 were as follows:- 
                  
               
               
               
                  
                  
                     
                     
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | From Canada |  
                           
                           ................. |  
                           
                           $ 789,913 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | " Nova Scotia |  
                           
                           ........... |  
                           
                           2,390,661 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | " New Brunswick (1862) |  
                           
                           . . . . |  
                           
                           303,477 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | " Newfoundland |  
                           
                           ........... |  
                           
                           4,090,970 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | " Prince Edward Island |  
                           
                           ..... |  
                           
                           121,000 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Total exports |  
                           
                           ........ |  
                           
                           $7,696,021 |  
                        
                      
                   
               
               
               
                Add to this, nine millions of dollars received   in the same year for new ships,
                  and we have   $16,696,021 as one year's foreign exports of   our
                  ship-building and fishing interests. (Hear,   hear.) With such facts before us
                  as the result of only a partially-developed traffic, may   we
                  not fearlessly look forward to the future in   the confident hope of still
                  more gratifying results, when, by combined and energetic action,
                  a new impetus has been given to these valuable branches of
                  industry? But there remains   a still more singular comparison to be made.
                  The Minister of Finance referred to it last   night—but he scarcely did
                  justice to our   position, because he excluded altogether the   inland
                  shipping. I refer to the statement of   ships annually entering and leaving
                  our ports.   Of course every one comprehends that a large   amount of the
                  tonnage entering and leaving   ports on the upper lakes is repeated in the
                  returns over an over again. This is the case,   for
                  instance, with the ferry boats between the   American and Canadian shores,
                  that carry   passengers and a small quantity of goods. It   would be
                  unfair to put down the tonnage of   such boats every time they enter or leave
                  a   port, as foreign commerce. Still there is a  
                  
                  102 large amount of valuable shipping engaged in   the
                  inland trade, and a vast amount of freight   is carried between the countries;
                  and the only   just plan is to state separately that which is   sea-going
                  shipping and that which is inland.   Acting on this plan, I find that in 1863,
                  the   tonnage between Canada and foreign ports   was as follows:- 
                  
               
               
               
                  
                  
                     
                     
                        
                        
                        
                           
                            | 
                           
                           Inwards. |  
                           
                           Outwards. |  
                           
                           Total. | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Canada .................... |  
                           
                           1,041,309 |  
                           
                           1,091,895 |  
                           
                           2,133,204 |  
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Nova Scotia ............. |  
                           
                           712,939 |  
                           
                           719,915 |  
                           
                           1,432,854 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | New Brunswic ......... |  
                           
                           659,258 |  
                           
                           727,727 |  
                           
                           1,386,985 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | P. E. Island, 1862..... |  
                           
                           69,080 |  
                           
                           81,208 |  
                           
                           150,288 | 
                           
 
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Newfoundland .......... |  
                           
                           156,578 |  
                           
                           148,610 |  
                           
                           305,188 |  
                        
                        
                        
                           
                            | 
                           
                           2,639,164 |  
                           
                           2,769,355 |  
                           
                           5,408,519 |  
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Inland Navigation.  Canada .................. |  
                           
                           3,538,701 |  
                           
                           3,368,432 |  
                           
                           6,907,133 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Total tons ........ |  
                           
                           6,177,865 |  
                           
                           6,137,787 |  
                           
                           12,315,652 |  
                        
                      
                   
               
               
               
                Now, sir, the United States are in the
                  same position as we are in respect to this inland traffic,  
                  and they include it in their returns as is done  
                  here. And what, sir, do you think is the  
                  difference between their tonnage and ours?  
                  Why ours is over twelve millions and theirs  
                  is but sixteen millions. There are not four  
                  millions of tons of difference between the  
                  two. (Hear, hear.) And let it be recollected that the United States have had  
                  seventy years start of us. As regards  
                  France, the whole amount of shipping that  
                  entered and left the ports of that great  
                  country in one year was but 8,456,734 tonsfour millions of tons less than that of
                  the  
                  British American Provinces. May we not  
                  then, when this union is accomplished, fairly  
                  claim to be the third maritime state of the  
                  world; and may we not even entertain the  
                  hope that, at some future day, a still higher  
                  position is not beyond our reach, when the  
                  days of puberty have been passed and the  
                  strength of manhood has been reached? I  
                  ask honorable gentlemen, in looking at these  
                  figures, to consider what the effect
                  must be  
                  when they are set down thus collectively, side  
                  by side, in official commercial returns, in comparison with the commerce of all the
                  great  
                  maritime states? Will it not strengthen our  
                  position abroad?—will it not give us a degree  
                  of influence and importance to have it known  
                  that British America wields so large a share  
                  of the world's commerce?—And if honorable  
                  gentlemen will still further consider the deep  
                  importance to Canada, in her inland position,  
                  of exercising her just influence in the control  
                  of so valuable a maritime interest, I think they  
                  will come to the conclusion that all the objections urged against this union are,
                  in the balance of its advantages, utterly contemptible.  
                  
               
               
               
                (Cheers.) But, in the fourth place, Mr.  
                  SPEAKER, I go for a union of the provinces,  
                  because it will give a new start to immigration  
                  into our country. It will bring us out anew  
                  prominently before the world—it will turn earnest attention to our resources, and
                  bring to  
                  our shores a stream of immigration greater,  
                  and of a better class, than we ever had before.  
                  I was in England when the first public announcement of this scheme was made, and 
                  
                  witnessed, with pleasure, the marked impression it produced. You could not go abroad,
                  
                  you could not enter into any company, in an  
                  class of society, where Canada or the British  
                  American Provinces were mentioned, but you  
                  heard this union movement spoken of almost  
                  with enthusiasm. And I say it is desirable  
                  that this scheme should not be delayed, but  
                  be carried through promptly and vigorously.  
                  I hesitate not to say that it should be accompanied with a vigorous effort to
                  give a new  
                  impetus to our industrial enterprises, to open  
                  up fresh lands for settlement, and to cheapen  
                  the transport of our produce to the sea-board.  
                  With the consummation of this union, I trust  
                  we will have a new immigration and a new  
                  land settlement policy—that we will ascertain  
                  every lot of land we actually own, so that a  
                  printed list may be placed in the hands of every  
                  immigrant—that the petty price we have been  
                  heretofore exacting will no longer be exacted,  
                  but that to actual settlers, who come among  
                  us to hew out for themselves and their children homes in the forest, no burthen or
                  condition will be demanded, beyond resident occupation for a certain number of years,
                  and a fixed  
                  amount of improvement on the land.- 
                  
               
               
                HON. MR. HOLTON —Unfortunately for  
                  your argument, the lands will be in the hands  
                  of the local governments.  
                  
 
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —So much the better.  
                  My honorable friend can manage his public  
                  lands in Lower Canada as he likes, and we  
                  will manage ours. And, speaking for the  
                  western section, I am bound to say there are  
                  very few shrewd men in Upper Canada who  
                  do not feel that far more public benefit is to  
                  be gained from the industry of a hardy actual  
                  settler upon 100 acres of land given to him  
                  free, than the trumpery $150 that
                  can be  
                  squeezed out of him as its price, the payment  
                  of which keeps him in trouble perhaps for  
                  years, and retards the progress of the country.  
                  On this question of immigration turns, in my  
                  opinion, the whole future success of this great  
                  scheme which we are now discussing. Why,  
                  sir, there is hardly a political or financial or  
                  social problem suggested by this union that  
                  
                  
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                  does not find its best solution in a large
                  influx  
                  of immigration. The larger our population,
                  
                  the greater will be our productions, the more  
                  valuable our exports, and the greater our  
                  ability to develop the resources of our country.  
                  The greater the number of tax-payers, and the  
                  more densely they are settled, the more lightly  
                  will the burden of taxation fall upon us all.  
                  And in this question of
                  immigration is found  
                  the only true solution of the problem of defence.  
                  Fill up our vacant lands, double
                  our population, and we will at once he in a position to  
                  meet promptly and effectually any invader  
                  who may put his foot with hostile intent upon  
                  our soil. (Hear, hear.) And this question  
                  of immigration naturally brings me to the  
                  great subject of the North-West territories.  
                  (Hear, hear.) The resolutions before us  
                  recognize the immediate necessity of those  
                  great territories being brought within the  
                  Confederation and opened up for settlement.  
                  But I am told that, while the Intercolonial  
                  Railroad has been made an absolute condition  
                  of the compact, the opening up of the Great  
                  West and the enlargement of our canals have  
                  been left in doubt. Now, sir, nothing can be  
                  more unjust than this. Let me read the resolotions:- 
 
               
               
               
               The
                  General Government shall secure,
                  
                  without delay, the completion of
                  the Intercolonial  
                  Railway from Rivière du Loup,
                  through New  
                  Brunswick, to Truro in Nova Scotia.  
                  
               
               
                The communications
                  with the North-Western Territory, and the improvements required  
                  for the development of the trade of the Great  
                  West with the seaboard are regarded by this  
                  Conference as subjects of the highest importance  
                  to the Federated Provinces, an shall be prosecuted at the earliest possible period
                  that the state  
                  of the finances will permit.  
                  
               
               
                The Confederation is, therefore, clearly
                  committed to the carrying out of both these enterprises. I doubt if there was a
                  member of  
                  the Conference who did not
                  consider that the  
                  Opening up of the North-West and
                  the improvement of our canal system, were not as clearly  
                  for the advantage of the Lower Provinces as  
                  for the interests of Upper Canada. Indeed,  
                  one gentleman held that the Lower
                  Provinces were more interested—they
                  wished to  
                  get their products into the west—they wanted  
                  a back country as much as we did—they  
                  wanted to be the carriers for that great  
                  country—and they were, therefore,
                  to say the  
                  least, as much interested in these questions as  
                  we were. But honorable gentlemen lay stress  
                  upon the point, that, while the
                  one enterprise is to be undertaken at
                  once, the other  
                  is not to be commenced until the state of the  
                  
               
               
               
                finances will permit. No doubt this is corrects,  
                  and the reason for it is simply this—the  
                  money has already been found for the Inter-  
                  colonial Railway. They must be well aware that  
                  the late Government (the MACDONALD-SICOTTE
                  
                  Administration) agreed to build the Intercolonial Railway, and obtained from the Imperial
                  
                  Government a guarantee of the debentures for  
                  building it—so that that money is ready at a  
                  very low rate of interest, whenever required.  
                  We know where to find the money for one enterprise at a rate we are able to bear,
                  and can thus  
                  at once go on with a work which must be gone  
                  on with if this union is to be consummated.  
                  But we don't know this of the other great  
                  work—and we all felt that it would be exceedingly indiscreet—I, myself, as the special
                  advocate of opening up the Great West and of  
                  the enlargement of our canals,—felt
                  that I  
                  could not put my name to a document which  
                  declared that at all hazards, while our five  
                  per cent. debentures were quoted at 75 or  
                  80 per cent. in the money market—we
                  would  
                  commence at once, without an hour's delay,  
                  any great public work whatever. (Hear,  
                  hear.) Honorable gentlemen opposite must not  
                  imagine that they have to do with a set of  
                  tricksters in the thirty-three gentlemen who  
                  composed that Conference. What we have  
                  said in our resolutions was deliberately adopted,  
                  in the honest sense of the words employed, and  
                  not for purposes of deception. Both works  
                  are to go on at the earliest possible moment  
                  our finances will permit, and honorable gentlemen will find the members of the Cabinet
                  
                  from Lower, as well as from Upper Canada,  
                  actuated by the hearty desire to have this  
                  whole scheme carried out in its fair meaning.  
                  
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —When recently in  
                  England, I was charged to negotiate with the  
                  Imperial Government for the Opening up of  
                  the North-West territories. In a few days  
                  the papers will be laid before the House,  
                  and it will then be seen whether or not  
                  this Government is in earnest in that matter.  
                  Sir, the gentlemen who formed the Conference  
                  at Quebec did not enter upon their work with  
                  the miserable idea of getting the advantage of  
                  each other, but with a due sense of the greatness of the work they had on hand, with
                  an  
                  earnest desire to do justice to all, and keeping  
                  always in mind that what would benefit one  
                  section in such a union must necessarily benefit  
                  the whole. (Cheers) It has always appeared  
                  to me that the opening up of the North-West  
                  ought to be one of the most cherished projects
                  
                  
                  
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                  of my
                  honorable friends from Lower Canada.  
                  During the discussion on the question for some  
                  years back I had occasion to dip
                  deep in North-  
                  West lore—into those singularly interesting  
                  narratives of life and travels in the North-West  
                  in the olden time, and into the history of the  
                  struggles for commercial domainancy in the  
                  great fur-bearing regions,—and it has always  
                  struck me that the French Canadian people  
                  have cause to look back with pride to the bold  
                  and successful part they played in the adventures of those days. Nothing perhaps has
                  
                  tended more to create their present national  
                  character than the vigorous habits, the power  
                  of endurance, the aptitude for outdoor
                  life,  
                  acquired in their prosecution of the North-  
                  West fur-trade. (Hear, hear.) Well may  
                  they look forward with anxiety to the  
                  realization of this part of our scheme, in  
                  confident hope that the great north-western  
                  traffic shall be once more opened up to the  
                  hardy French Canadian traders and 
voyageurs.  
                  (Hear, hear.) Last year furs to the value of  
                  ÂŁ280,000 stg. ($1,400,000) were carried from  
                  that territory by the Hudson's Bay Company  
                  —smuggled off through the ice-bound regions  
                  of James' Bay, that the pretence of the barrenness of the country and the difficulty
                  of  
                  conveying merchandise by the natural route  
                  of the St. Lawrence may be kept up a little  
                  longer. Sir, the carrying of merchandise into  
                  that country, and bringing down the bales of  
                  pelts ought to be ours, and must ere long be  
                  ours, as in the days of yore—(hear, hear)and when the fertile plains of that great
                  Saskatchewan territory are opened up for settlement and cultivation, I am confident
                  that it will  
                  not only add immensely to our annual agricultural products, but bring us sources of
                  mineral  
                  and other wealth on which at present we do  
                  not reckon. (Hear, hear.) While speaking on  
                  this question of immigration, I would remind  
                  the House, and it is impossible to urge it  
                  too strongly, that these provinces are now  
                  presented to the world in a very
                  disadvantageous aspect, as different communities. When a  
                  party in Europe thinks of emigrating here, he  
                  has to ascertain separately all about New  
                  Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island, and  
                  Nova Scotia, and Upper and Lower Canada;  
                  and if by chance he meets a party from some one  
                  of these provinces, he has to listen to a picture  
                  of the merits of that one section in high contrast  
                  to the demerits of all the rest, and the result  
                  is the poor man's ideas about us become a mass  
                  of confusion. On the other hand, if he seeks  
                  to know the inducements for emigration to  
                  New South Wales, or New Zealand, he gets it  
                  
                  
                  in one picture—in an official form—and the  
                  offer is made to pay his passage to these lands  
                  of hope. A large amount of emigration, and  
                  of money which the emigrant takes with him,  
                  are thus carried off to a much more distant land  
                  than this, and one that does not offer equal  
                  inducements to the settler. But how different  
                  will all this be when these provinces stand  
                  united, and present to emigrants a combination  
                  of so many branches of profitable industry ?  
                  In turning over some United States statistics  
                  I recently fell upon a very curious official
                  calculation made by the United States Government, as to the value of immigration.
                  By the  
                  census of 1861 the population of the United  
                  States was over thirty millions; and this calculation was to ascertain what the population
                  
                  would have been had there been no immigration into the country, but had the population
                  
                  been left to advance solely by its own natural  
                  increase. And what do you think, sir, was  
                  the result ? Why, it is shewn that if the  
                  United States had received all the immigrants  
                  that came to them up to 1820, and then stopped  
                  receiving them—the population, at this moment,  
                  instead of thirty millions, would have been but  
                  14,601,485. (Hear, hear.) It is
                  shewn that  
                  if immigration had gone on until 1810 and  
                  stopped then, the population now would
                  have  
                  been only 12,678,562. Had it stepped in  
                  1800, the population now would have been  
                  10,462,944; and had it stopped in 1790,  
                  the population now, instead of thirty millions,  
                  would have been but 8,789,969. (Hear, hear.)  
                  These, sir, are most valuable facts, which  
                  should be impressed on the mind of every  
                  public man in British America. If we wish  
                  our country to progress, we should not leave  
                  a single stone unturned to attract the tide  
                  of emigration in this direction; and I know  
                  no better method of securing that result, than  
                  the gathering into one of these five provinces,  
                  and presenting ourselves to the world in the  
                  advantageous light which, when united, we  
                  would occupy. (Cheers) But,
                  fifthly, Mr.  
                  SPEAKER, I am in favor of a union of these  
                  provinces, because it will enable us to meet,  
                  without alarm, the abrogation of the American  
                  Reciprocity Treaty, in case the United States  
                  should insist on its abolition. (Hear, hear.)  
                  I do not believe that the American Government  
                  is so insane as to repeal that treaty. But  
                  it is always well to be prepared for contingencies—and I have no hesitation in saying
                  that if  
                  they do repeal it, should this union of British  
                  America go on, a fresh 'outlet for our commerce will be opened up to us quite as advantageous
                  as the American trade has ever been.  
                  
 
               
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                I have never heretofore ventured to make this   assertion, for I know well what
                  a serious task it   is to change, in one day, the commercial relations of such a country
                  as this. When the traffic   of a
                  country has passed for a lengthened   period through a particular channel, any
                  serious change of that channel tends, for a time,   to the embarrassment
                  of business men, and   causes serious injury to individuals, if not to  
                  the whole community. Such a change we in   Canada had in 1847. But as it was
                  in 1847, so   it will be in 1866, if the Reciprocity Treaty is  
                  abolished. Our agricultural interest had been   built up on the protective
                  legislation of Great   Britain, and in 1847 it was suddenly brought   to
                  an end. We suffered severely, in consequence, for some years; but,
                  by degrees, new   channels for our trade opened up—the Reciprocity Treaty was negotiated—and
                  we have   more prosperous since 1847 than
                  we ever   were before. And so, I have not a doubt, will   it be in the
                  event of the Reciprocity Treaty   being abolished. Profitable as that treaty
                  has   unquestionably been to us—and it has been   more profitable to the
                  Americans—still, were   it brought to an end to-morrow, though we   would
                  suffer a while from the change, I am   convinced the ultimate result would be
                  that   other foreign markets would be opened to us,   quite as profitable,
                  and that we would speedily   build up our trade on a sounder basis than at
                  present. A close examination of the working of   the Reciprocity Treaty
                  discloses facts of vital   importance to the merits of the question, to  
                  which you never hear the slightest allusion   made by American speakers or
                  writers. Our   neighbours, in speaking of the treaty, keep   constantly
                  telling us of the Canadian tradewhat they take from Canada and
                  what Canada takes from them. Their whole story is   about the
                  buying and selling of commodities   in Canada. Not a whisper do you ever hear
                  from them about their buying and selling   with the Maritime
                  Provinces—not a word   about the enormous carrying trade for all the  
                  provinces which the monopolize—not a word   of the large sums drawn from us
                  for our vast   traffic over their railways and canals—and not   a whisper
                  as to their immense profits from   fishing in our waters, secured to them by
                  the   treaty. (Hear, hear.) No, sir, all we hear   of is the exports and
                  imports of Canada—all   is silence as to other parts of the treaty. But  
                  it must not be forgotten that if the treaty is   abolished and this union is
                  accomplished, an   abolition of reciprocity with Canada means   abolition
                  of reciprocity with all the British   American Provinces—means bringing to an  
                   end the right of the Americans to fish in our   waters; their right to
                  use our canals; their   right to the navigation of the St. Lawrence;   and
                  that it also implies the taking out of their   hands the vast and lucrative
                  carrying trade   they now have from us. (Hear, hear.) It   must be always
                  kept in mind that though the   United States purchase from Canada a large
                  amount of agricultural products, a great portion of what
                  they purchase does not go into   consumption in the States, but is merely
                  purchased for transmission to Great Britain and   the West
                  India markets. (Hear, hear.) They   merely act as commission agents and
                  carriers   in such transactions, and splendid profits they   make out of
                  the business. But beyond this,   another large portion of these produce purchases,
                  for which they take so much credit to   themselves,
                  they buy in the same manner for   export to the Maritime Provinces of British
                  America, reaping all the benefit of the seagoing as well as
                  the inland freight—charges   and commissions. (Hear, hear.) The commercial returns
                  of the Lower Provinces show   not only that the
                  Americans send a large   quantity of their own farm products to those  
                  provinces, but a considerable amount of what   they (the Americans) receive
                  from us, thereby   gaining the double advantage of the carrying   trade
                  through the United States to the seaboard, and then by sea to the
                  Lower Provinces.   (Hear, hear.) I hold in my hand a return   of the
                  articles purchased by the Maritime   Provinces from the United States in 1863,
                  which Canada could have supplied. I will   not detain the House by
                  reading it, but any   member who desires can have it or examination. I may state,
                  however, in brief, that in   that year the breadstuffs
                  alone bought by the   Lower Provinces amounted to no less than  
                  $4,447,207—that the import of meats,   fresh and cured, amounted to
                  $659,917-  and that the total value of products which the   Lower
                  Provinces might have bought more   advantageously from us, summed up to over
                  seven millions of dollars. (Hear, hear.) The   Americans must,
                  therefore, bear in mind, that   if they abolish the Reciprocity Treaty, they
                  will not only lose that seven millions which   they now receive for
                  their products, but the   carrying trade which goes with it. But on the  
                  other hand, when we have this union, these   products will, as they naturally
                  should, go   down the St. Lawrence, not only for the advantage
                  of our farmers—but swelling the   volume of our own shipping interests. (Hear,
                  hear.) The Americans, hitherto, have had a   large portion of our
                  carrying trade; they have  
                  
                  106 brought us our goods—even our European   goods—and
                  taken our produce not only to   Europe but even to the Lower Provinces; and
                  I say one of the best features of this union   is, that if in our
                  commercial relations with   the United States we are compelled by them  
                  to meet fire with fire—it will enable us to stop   this improvidence and turn
                  the current of our   own trade into our own waters. Far be it from   me to
                  say I am an advocate of a coercive commercial policy—on the
                  contrary, entire freedom   of trade, in my opinion, is what we in this  
                  country should strive for. Without hesitation,   I would, to-morrow, throw
                  open the whole of   our trade and the whole of our waters to the   United
                  States, if they did the same to us.   But, if they tell us, in the face of all
                  the advantages they get by Reciprocity, that they are  
                  determined to put a stop to it, and if this is   done through a hostile
                  feeling to us—deeply   as I should regret that this should be the first  
                  use made by the Northern States of their newfound liberty—then, I
                  say, we have a policy,   and a good policy of our own, to fall back  
                  upon. And let me say a word as to the effect   of the repeal of Reciprocity on
                  the American fishing interest. The Americans, in 1851,   had
                  engaged in the cod and mackerel fishing,   in our waters, shipping to the
                  extent of 129,014 tons—but under the influence of the  
                  Reciprocity Treaty it rose, in 1861, to 192,662—an increase, in
                  ten years, of upwards of   63,000 tons, or fifty per cent. (Hear, hear.)  
                  The repeal of Reciprocity will give us back   all this increase, and more, for
                  it will be a   very different thing in the future from what it   was
                  formerly, to poach on our fishing grounds,   when these provinces are united
                  and determined   to protect the fisheries of the Gulf. This   fishing
                  interest is one which may be cultivated to an extent difficult,
                  perhaps, for many   of us to conceive. But we have only to   look at the
                  amount of fish taken from our   waters by the Americans and other nations,
                  and the advantages we possess, to perceive   that, if we apply
                  ourselves, as a united people,   to foster that trade, we can vastly increase
                  the   great traffic we now enjoy. (Hear, hear.) On   the whole, then, sir,
                  I come firmly to the conclusion that, in view of the possible
                  stoppage   of the American Reciprocity Treaty, and our   being compelled
                  to find new channels for our   trade, this union presents to us advantages, in comparison
                  with which any objection   that has been
                  offered, or can be offered to it, is   utterly insignificant. (Hear, hear.)
                  But,   sixthly, Mr. SPEAKER, I am in favor of the   union of the
                  provinces, because, in the event  
                   of war, it will enable all the colonies to defend   themselves better,
                  and give more efficient aid   to the Empire, than they could do separately.
                  I am not one of those who ever had the war-   fever; I have
                  not believed in getting up large   armaments in this country; I have never
                  doubted that a military spirit, to a certain extent, did
                  necessarily form part of the character   of a great people ; but I felt that
                  Canada had   not yet reached that stage in her progress   when she could
                  safely assume the duty of defence; and that, so long as peace
                  continued   and the Mother Country threw her shield   around us, it was
                  well for us to cultivate our   fields and grow in numbers and material  
                  strength, until we could look our enemies   fearlessly in the face. But it
                  must be admitted—and there is no use of closing our eyes   to
                  the fact—that this question of defence has   been placed, within the last two
                  years, in a   totally different position from what it ever occupied before. The time
                  has come—it matters   not what political party may
                  be in power in   England—when Britain will insist on a reconsideration of the military
                  relations which a   great colony, such as
                  Canada, ought to hold   to the Empire. And I am free to admit that   it is
                  a fair and just demand. We may doubt   whether some of the demands that have
                  been   made upon us, without regard to our peculiar   position at the
                  moment, and without any attempt to discuss the question with us in
                  all its   breadth, were either just or well-considered.   But of this I
                  think there can be no doubt, that   when the time comes in the history of any
                  colony that it has overcome the burdens and   embarrassments of early
                  settlement, and has   entered on a career of permanent progress and  
                  prosperity, it is only fair and right that it   should contribute its quota to
                  the defence of   the Empire. What that quota ought to be, I   think, is a
                  matter for grave deliberation and   discussion, as well as the measure of
                  assistance   the colony may look for, in time of war, from   the parent
                  state—and, assuredly, it is in this   spirit that the present Imperial
                  Government   is desirous of approaching the question.   (Hear, hear.) I am
                  persuaded that nothing   more than that which is fairly due at our   hands
                  will be demanded from us, and anything  less than this, I am sure, the people
                  is of Canada   do not desire. (Hear, hear.) In the conversations I had, while in England,
                  with public men of different
                  politics—while I found   many who considered that the connection   between
                  Canada and England involved the   Mother Country in some danger of war with
                  the powerful state upon our borders, and that  
                  
                  107 the colonial system devolved heavy and unreasonable burdens upon the Mother Country
                  —and while a still larger
                  number thought   we had not acted as cordially and energetically   as we
                  ought in organizing our militia for the   defence of the province, still I did
                  not meet one   public man, of any stripe of politics, who did   not
                  readily and heartily declare that, in case   of the invasion of Canada, the
                  honor of Great   Britain would be at stake, and the whole   strength of
                  the Empire would be unhesitatingly marshalled in our defence.
                  (Hear,   hear.) But, coupled with this, was the invariable and
                  most reasonable declaration that   a share of the burden of defence, in peace
                  and   in war, we must contribute. And this stipulation applies
                  not only to Canada, but to every   one of the colonies. Already the Indian
                  Empire has been made to pay the whole expense   of her
                  military establishment. The Australian Colonies have agreed to pay
                  ÂŁ40 sterling   per man for every soldier sent there. This   system is
                  being gradually extended—and union   or no union, assuredly every one of these
                  British American Colonies will be called upon   to bear her fair share
                  towards the defence of   the Empire. And who will deny that it is a   just
                  demand, and that great colonies such as   these, should be proud to meet it in
                  a frank   and earnest spirit. (Cheers.) Nothing, I   am persuaded, could
                  be more foreign to the   ideas of the people of Canada, than that the  
                  people of England should be unfairly taxed   for service rendered to this
                  province. Now,   the question presented to us is simply this :   will
                  these contributions which Canada and   the other provinces must hereafter make
                  to the   defence of the Empire, be better rendered by   a hardy,
                  energetic, population, acting as   one people, than as five or six separate
                  communities? (Hear, hear.) There is no   doubt about it. But not only do
                  our   changed relations towards the Mother Country   call on us to assume
                  the new duty of military   defence—our changed relations towards the  
                  neighboring Republic compel us to do so. For   myself, I have no belief that
                  the Americans   have the slightest thought of attacking us. I   cannot
                  believe that the first use of their newfound liberty will be the
                  invasion, totally unprovoked, of a peaceful province. I fancy that
                  they have had quite enough of war for a good   many years to come—and
                  that such a war as   one with England would certainly be, is the   last
                  they are likely to provoke. But, Mr.   SPEAKER, there is no better mode of
                  warding   off war when it is threatened, than to be prepared
                  for it if it comes. The Americans are  
                   now a warlike people. They have large   armies, a powerful navy, an
                  unlimited supply   of warlike munitions, and the carnage of war   has to
                  them been stript of its horrors. The   American side of our lines already
                  bristles   with works of defence, and unless we are willing to
                  live at the mercy of our neighbors, we,   too, must put our country in a state
                  of efficient   preparation. War or no war—the necessity of
                  placing these provinces in a thorough   state of defence can no longer be
                  postponed. Our country is coming to be regarded
                  as undefended and indefensiblethe capitalist is alarmed, and the
                  immigrant is afraid to come among us. Were   it merely as a
                  measure of commercial advantage, every one of these colonies must
                  meet   the question of military defence promptly and   energetically. And
                  how can we do this so   efficiently and economically as by the union   now
                  proposed? (Hear, hear.) I have already   shown that union would give us a body
                  of   70,000 hardy seamen ready and able to defend   our sea-coasts and
                  inland lakes; let us now   see what would be the military strength of the
                  Confederation. By the last census (1861) it   appears that the men
                  capable of bearing arms   in British America were as follows:- 
                  
               
               
               
                  
                  
                     
                     
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Upper Canada, from 20 to 60 | 
                           
                           ..... |  
                           
                           308,955 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Lower Canada, from 20 to 60 | 
                           
                           ...... |  
                           
                           225,620 |  
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Nova Scotia, from 20 to 60 | 
                           
                           ....... | 
                           
                           67,367 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | New Brunswick, from 20 to 60 | 
                           
                           ..... | 
                           
                           51,625 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Newfoundland from 20 to 60 | 
                           
                           ...... | 
                           
                           25,532 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Prince Edward Island, 21 to 60 | 
                           
                           ..... | 
                           
                           14,819 | 
                           
                        
                        
                        
                           
                           | Total | 
                           
                           .................. | 
                           
                           693,918 |  
                        
                      
                   
               
               
               
               
               
               
                With the body of efficient soldiers that  
                  might be obtained from this vast array of men,  
                  the erection of defensive works at salient  
                  points, and the force of British troops that  
                  would soon come to our aid—who can doubt  
                  that the invasion of our country would be  
                  successfully resisted? But, seventhly, Mr.  
                  SPEAKER, I am in favor of this union because  
                  it will give us a sea-board at all seasons of the  
                  year. (Hear, hear.) It is not to be denied
                  
                  that the position of Canada, shut off as she is  
                  from the sea-board during the winter months,
                  
                  is far from satisfactory—and should the United
                  
                  States carry out their insane threat of abolishing the bonding system, by which our
                  merchandise passes free through their territory,
                  it  
                  would be still more embarrassing. The Maritime Provinces are equally cut off from
                  com-
               
               
               munication inland. Now, this embarrassment  
                  will be ended by colonial union. The Inter-  
                  colonial Railway will give us at all times
                  
                  access to the Atlantic through British terri108tory. (Hear,
                  hear.) As a commercial enterprise, the Intercolonial Railway has not, I  
                  apprehend, any considerable merit; as a work  
                  of defence it has, however, many advocates;  
                  but, if the union of the provinces is to go on,  
                  it is an absolute necessity; and, as the price  
                  of union, were there no other argument' m its  
                  favor, I heartily go for it. (Hear, hear.)  
                  The advantage it will confer on the Maritime  
                  Provinces can hardly be over-rated. It will  
                  make Halifax and St. John the Atlantic seaports of half a continent—it will insure
                  to  
                  Halifax, ere long, the establishment of a line  
                  of powerful steamers running in six days from  
                  her wharves to some near point on the west  
                  coast of Ireland—and it will bring
                  a constant  
                  stream of passengers and immigrants through  
                  those Lower Provinces that never otherwise  
                  would come near them. Mr. SPEAKER, I  
                  could go on for many hours piling up arguments in favor of this scheme, but already
                  I  
                  have detained the House too long—(cries of  
                  "no, no;" "go on!")—and must draw to a  
                  close. But I think I have given reasons  
                  enough to satisfy every candid man who  
                  desires the advancement of his country, why  
                  this House should go unanimously and enthusiastically for " the union, the whole union,
                  
                  and nothing but the union!" Before sitting 
                  down, however, there are one or two general 
                  objections urged against the scheme which I  
                  am desirous of meeting, and I will try to do  
                  so as briefly as possible. And first, sir, I am  
                  told that we should have made the union  
                  legislative and not federal. Undoubtedly this  
                  is a point on which different
                  opinions may be  
                  honestly held by men sincerely seeking the  
                  same ends—but, speaking my own views, I  
                  think we came to a most wise conclusion.  
                  Had we continued the present legislative  
                  union, we must have continued with it  
                  the unjust system of taxation for local purposes that now exists—and the sectional
                  bickering would have gone on as before. And can  
                  any honorable gentleman really believe that  
                  it would have been possible for a body of men  
                  sitting at Ottawa to administer efficiently  
                  and wisely the parish business of Red River  
                  and Newfoundland, and all the country between? Only think of bringing suitors and
                  
                  witnesses such distances to promote a bill for  
                  closing. a side-line or
                  incorporating a club!  
                  And if such a thing were desirable, would it  
                  be possible for any body of men to go through  
                  such a mass of work? Why, sir, the Imperial Parliament with 650 members sits for 
                  
                  eight months in the year, and even our Parliament sits three or four months,—how then
                  
                  
                  
                  would it be possible for the legislature of all  
                  the Provinces with a thousand or twelve hundred bills before it, to accomplish it
                  all?
                  The  
                  whole year would not suffice for it—and who  
                  in these colonies is able to sacrifice his whole  
                  time to the duties of public life? But there  
                  is another reason why the union was not  
                  made legislative—it could not be carried.  
                  (Hear, hear.) We had either to take a federal  
                  union or drop the negotiation. Not only were  
                  our friends from Lower Canada against it, but  
                  so were most of the delegates from the Maritime Provinces. There was but one choice
                  
                  open to us—federal union or nothing. But  
                  in truth the scheme now before us has all the  
                  advantages of a legislative union and a federal  
                  one as well. We have thrown over on the localities all the questions which experience
                  has  
                  shown lead directly to local jealousy and discord, and we have retained in the hands
                  of  
                  the General Government all the powers necessary to secure a strong and efficient administration
                  of public affairs. (Hear, hear.) By  
                  placing the appointment of the judges in the  
                  hands of the General Government, and the  
                  establishment of a central court of appeal,  
                  we have secured uniformity of justice over  
                  the whole land. (Hear, hear.) By vesting  
                  the appointment of the lieutenant governors  
                  in the General Government, and giving a veto  
                  for all local measures, we have secured that  
                  no injustice shall be done without appeal in  
                  local legislation. (Hear, hear.)
                  For all dealings with the Imperial Government and foreign countries we have clothed
                  the General  
                  Government with the most ample powers.And finally, all matters of trade and commerce,
                  banking and currency, and all questions  
                  common to the whole people, we have vested  
                  fully and unrestrictedly in the General Government. The measure, in fact, shuns the
                  
                  faults of the federal and legislative systems  
                  and adopts the best parts of both, and I am  
                  well persuaded it will work efficiently and  
                  satisfactorily. (Hear, hear.) But, Mr.  
                  SPEAKER, I am told that the cost of working  
                  this Federation scheme will be enormous.  
                  Now, it would be a very rash thing of me, or  
                  of any other person, to assert that the expense will not be great ; for we
                  all know that  
                  any system of government may be made either  
                  economical or extravagant, precisely according  
                  to the discretion of those who administer it.  
                  But this I am confident of, that with ordinary  
                  discretion, far from being more costly than  
                  the existing system, a very considerable reduction may be readily effected; and one
                  
                  thing is quite certain, that no ingenuity  
                  
                  
                  
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                  could make it a more costly or
                  extravagant  
                  system than the one we have now. (Loud  
                  cries of hear, hear.) Undoubtedly the mode  
                  in which the local governments shall be constructed will very much affect the cost
                  of the 
                  whole scheme; but if we adopt (as I earnestly 
                  hope we will) simple and inexpensive machinery 
                  for local purposes, I am quite satisfied that  
                  there will a reduction to the people of Canada on the amount they now contribute.
                  I  
                  have great confidence in the economical effect  
                  of placing local expenditures on local shoulders, and in the salutary influence in
                  the same  
                  direction, of the representatives of the Maritime Provinces when they come among us.
                  
                  
               
               
               
                HON. MR. HOLTON —The trouble is that  
                  they will spend our money—not theirs.  
                  
 
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —The honorable gentleman is entirely wrong, and I am amazed at  
                  his making such a statement. There is no  
                  portion of the community that will pay more  
                  money, per head, to the revenue than the people of the Maritime Provinces. If the
                  honorable gentleman had turned up the commercial  
                  returns of those Lower Provinces and calculated the effect of our tariff, if
                  applied to them  
                  —or even a tariff less than ours, for our  
                  tariff must be reduced, he would have known  
                  that they will bear their full proportion of  
                  the national burdens. (Hear, hear.) But,  
                  Mr. SPEAKER, I am told that the
                  arrangement as to the debt is unfair—that we have  
                  thrown on the Federal exchequer the whole of  
                  the debts of the Maritime Provinces, but only  
                  a portion of the debt of Canada. There is not  
                  a particle of force in this objection. The  
                  whole debt of Canada is $67,500,000,
                  but five  
                  millions of this is due to our own people, to  
                  meet which there are certain local funds.  
                  Now, if we had thrown the whole
                  $67,500,000  
                  on the Federal treasury, we must also have  
                  handed over to it the local revenues, which, so  
                  far as these five millions are concerned, would  
                  have been precisely the same thing. But, as  
                  regards the public debt with which the Federal Government would start, it would not
                  have  
                  been the same thing. By restricting
                  the debt  
                  of Canada to $62,500,000, we
                  restricted the  
                  debt of the Maritime Provinces to the same  
                  proportion, or $25 per head of
                  their population; but had we thrown our whole debt of  
                  sixty-seven and a half millions on the Confederation, the proportion of debt for the
                  several  
                  Maritime Provinces must have been increased,  
                  and the whole debt very greatly augmented.  
                  (Hear.) But in throwing these five
                  millions on  
                  the local governments of Upper and Lower  
                  Canada, do we impose a burden on them they  
                  
                  
                  are unable to bear? Quite the contrary—for 
                  with the debt, we give them the corresponding  
                  sources of revenue from which to meet it. The  
                  local governments of Upper and Lower Canada 
                  will severally not only have funds from the subsidy and other sources, to meet all
                  expenditure,  
                  but a large surplus besides. But, Mr. SPEAKER,  
                  I am told that this Federation scheme may be all  
                  very right—it may be just and the very  
                  thing the country needs—but this Government  
                  had no authority from Parliament to negotiate  
                  it. The honorable member for Cornwall (Hon.  
                  JOHN S. MACDONALD) particularly pressed  
                  this objection, and I am sorry he is not in his  
                  seat.  
                  
 
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —I am astonished to  
                  hear such a statement repeated. No one knows  
                  better than the honorable member for Chateauguay and the honorable member for Cornwall
                  
                  that in the Ministerial explanations brought  
                  down to this House, at the time of the formation of this Government, it was distinctly
                  
                  declared that the Government it
                  was formed for  
                  the initial purpose of maturing a scheme of 
                  Federal union, and that it would
                  take means,  
                  during the recess, for opening negotiations  
                  with the Maritime Provinces, to bring about  
                  such a union.  
                  
 
               
               
               
               
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —What we have done  
                  is entirely subject to the approval of Parliament. The honorable member for Cornwall
                  
                  is the very last man who should have raised  
                  such an objection, for he
                  attended a canons of  
                  the liberal members of the Assembly, heard  
                  the whole plans of the Government explained,  
                  precisely as they have been carried out,
                  and  
                  he was the very person who moved
                  that I  
                  should go into the Government to give them  
                  effect. (Hear hear.)  
                  
 
               
               
                MR. DUNKIN —And
                  I heard something  
                  more said—that nothing should be done which  
                  did not leave the House perfectly free.  
                  
 
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —I can assure my  
                  honorable friend that, as far as that goes, he  
                  never was more free in his life than now.  
                  (Laughter.) We do not pretend to
                  say that  
                  anything we have done binds this House; any  
                  member may object if he pleases; but I do  
                  say we received the approval of the House for  
                  opening negotiations, and it is a miserable  
                  pretence to say anything to the contrary.  
                  (Hear, hear.) We did no more than has  
                  been done by every Government, under the  
                  
                  
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                  British system, that ever existed. We
                  have  
                  but made a compact, subject to the approval  
                  of Parliament. So far as this Government is  
                  concerned, we are firmly committed to the  
                  scheme; but so far as the members of the  
                  Legislature are concerned, they are as free as  
                  air; but I am confident that this House will  
                  almost unanimously accept it, and not with  
                  changes and amendments, but as a whole—as  
                  the very best compromise arrangement that  
                  can be obtained.  
                  
 
               
               
               
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —I remember a Government formed from that side of the House,  
                  and the honorable member for Hochelaga (Hon.  
                  Mr. DORION) will remember it too, which  
                  made a treaty respecting the building of the  
                  Intercolonial Railroad. The honorable member for Cornwall was Premier of that Government,
                  and it does not lie in his mouth now to  
                  object to what he himself did. But the honorable gentleman is entirely wrong when
                  he  
                  says we had no power to make this compact  
                  with the Maritime Provinces. We had full  
                  power, express instructions to enter into it.  
                  
 
               
               
               
               
               
                MR. BROWN —No
                  ; the honorable gentleman ought to know that the treaty-making  
                  power is in the Crown—the Crown authorize  
                  us specially to make this compact, and it has  
                  heartily approved of what we did. (Hear,  
                  hear.) But, Mr. SPEAKER, I am told, that the  
                  people of Canada have not considered this  
                  scheme, and that we ought not to pass it without appealing to the electors for their
                  approval.  
                  Now, sir, a statement more incorrect than this,  
                  or more injurious to the people of Canada, could  
                  not be made. They not only have considered this scheme—for fifteen years they have
                  
                  been earnestly considering it—but the perfectly comprehend it. (Hear, hear.) If ever
                  
                  question was thoroughly debated in any  
                  country, the whole subject of constitutional  
                  change has been in Canada. There is not a  
                  light in which it could be placed that has not  
                  been thoroughly canvassed ; and if the House  
                  will permit me, I will show from our historical  
                  record how totally absurd this objection is.  
                  The question of a Federal union was agitated  
                  thirty years ago, and here is the resolution  
                  adopted by both Houses of the Imperial Parliament so far back as 1837:- 
                  
 
               
               
               That great inconvenience has been
                  sustained  
                  by His Majesty's subjects inhabiting the provinces  
                  of Lower Canada and Upper Canada, from the  
                  want of some adequate means for regulating and  
                  
                  
                  adjusting questions respecting the trade
                  and commerce of the said provinces, and divers other  
                  questions wherein the said provinces have a common interest ; and it is
                  expedient that the legislatures of the said provinces respectively, be  
                  authorized to make provision for the joint regulation and adjustment of such their
                  common  
                  interests.  
                  
               
               
               
                In the instructions given to Lord  DURHAM  
                  by the Imperial Government in 1838, this  
                  passage occurs:- 
                  
               
               
               It is clear that some plan must be
                  devised to  
                  meet the just demands of Upper Canada. It will  
                  be for your Lordship, in conjunction with the  
                  Committee, to consider if this should not be done  
                  by constituting some joint legislative authority,  
                  which should preside over all questions of common interest to the two provinces,
                  and which  
                  might be appealed to in extraordinary cases. to  
                  arbitrate between contending parties in either;  
                  
               
               
                preserving, however, to each province its
                  distinct  legislature, with authority in all matters of an  
                  exclusively domestic concern. If this should be  
                  your opinion. you will have further time to consider  
                  what should be the nature and limits of such  
                  authority, and all the particulars which ought to  
                  be comprehended in any scheme for its establishment.  
                  
               
               
               
                In Lord DURHAM'S admirable report of  
                  1839, I find this passage:- 
                  
               
               
               
                  
                  The bill should contain provisions by
                     which  
                     any or all of the other North American colonies  
                     may, on the application of the legislature, be  
                     with the consent of the two Canadas, or their  
                     united legislature, admitted into the union on  
                     such terms as may be agreed on between them.  
                     As the mere amalgamation of the Houses of  
                     Assembly of the two provinces would not be  
                     advisable, or give at all a due representation to  
                     each, a parliamentary commission should be appointed, for the purpose of forming the
                     electoral  
                     divisions and determining the number of members  
                     to be returned on the principle of giving representation as near as may be, in proportion
                     to  
                     population. The same commission should form  
                     a plan of local government by
                     elective bodies,  
                     subordinate to the general legislature, and exercising a complete control over such
                     local affairs  
                     as do not come within the province of general  
                     legislation. The plan so framed should be made  
                     an act of the Imperial Parliament, so as to prevent the general legislature from encroaching
                     on  
                     the powers of the local bodies. A general Executive on an improved principle should
                     be established, together with a supreme court of appeal for  
                     all the North American Colonies.  
                   
               
               
               
                And here is the statement of Lord JOHN  
                  RUSSELL, in 1839, while introducing the original bill founded on Lord DURHAM'S report:-
                  
                  
               
               
               The bill provides for the establishment
                  of a central district at Montreal and its
                  neighbourhood, at  
                  which the Government shall be carried on, and  
                  
                  
                  
                  
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                  where the Assembly shall meet. The other
                  parts  
                  of Upper and of Lower Canada are each to be  
                  divided into two districts. It is proposcd that  
                  these districts should be formed for the purpose of  
                  becoming municipal districts, for the imposition  
                  of taxes and rates, for all local purposes.  
                  
               
               
               
                My next quotation shall be from the proceedings of a body of gentlemen who made a
                  
                  great commotion in their day and generation  
                  —the British American League. I hold in  
                  my hand the proceedings of the League of 3rd  
                  November, 1849, and among other names  
                  mentioned I find those of the Hon. GEORGE  
                  MOFFAT, THOHAS WILSON, the Hon.
                  GEORGE 
                  CRAWFORD, the Hon. ASA A.
                  BURNHAM,  
                  JOHN W. GAMBLE, Mr. AIKMAN, of
                  Barton,  
                  OGLE R. GOWAN, JOHN DUGGAN, the Hon.  
                  Col. FRASER, GEORGE BENJAMIN, the Hon.  
                  P. M. VANKOUGHNET, and last, though not  
                  least, the Hon. JOHN A. MACDONALD—of  
                  whom, however, I find it recorded that he  
                  spoke in a very jocose manner. Here is the  
                  resolution of the League:- 
                  
               
               
               That whether protection or reciprocity
                  shall be  
                  conceded or withheld, it is essential to the welfare of this colony, and its future
                  good
                  government, that a Constitution should be framed in  
                  unison with the wishes of the people, and suited  
                  to the growing importance and intelligence of the  
                  country, and that such Constitution should embrace a union of the British North American
                  
                  Provinces on mutually advantageous and fairly  
                  arranged terms, with the concession from the  
                  Mother Country of enlarged powers of self-government.  
                  
               
               
               
                I pass on to 1856 when we had the motion  
                  and speech of my honorable friend the Minister of Finance (Hon. Mr. GALT) in favor
                  of  
                  a union of all the British American Provinces,  
                  but, as the whole House is familiar with it, I  
                  shall not read the document. But in the Votes  
                  and Proceedings of this House, of 25th April,  
                  1856, I find a very remarkable document. It  
                  is a notice of motion to be made in this House  
                  —and its contents are as follow:- 
                  
               
               
               Resolved—1. That the inconveniences arising  
                  from the Legislative Union between Upper a  
                  Lower Canada, render desirable the dissolution of  
                  that union.  
                  
               
               
                2. That a committee be appointed to
                  enquire  
                  into the means which should be adapted to term  
                  a new political and legislative organization of the  
                  heretofore provinces of Upper and Lower Canada,  
                  either by the establishment of their former territorial divisions, or by a division
                  of each province  
                  so as to form a confederation having a Federal  
                  Government, and a local legislature for each one  
                  of the new provinces, and to deliberate as to the  
                  course which should be adopted to regulate the  
                  affairs of united Canada in a manner which would  
                  
                  
                  be equitable to the different sections of the province.  
                  
               
               
               
               
               
                that? 
                  
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN.—This notice of motion was given by my honorable friend the  
                  member for Hochelaga (Hon. Mr. DORION.)  
                  (Cheers.)  
                  
 
               
               
                HON. MR. DORION.—It was in amendment of that of the honorable member for  
                  Sherbrooke, which I did not exactly like.  
                  
 
               
               
                HON. MR. HOLTON —and which that  
                  honorable gentleman did not venture to move,  
                  so that the House did not pronounce upon it.  
                  
 
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —But my honorable  
                  friend (Hon. Mr. DORION) made a speech,  
                  which I perfectly remember. He held this
                  
                  motion in his hand while he spoke.  
                  
 
               
               
                HON. MR. DORION —I made a speech on  
                  the motion of the honorable member for Haldimand, Mr. MACKENZIE, not on my own.  
                  
 
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —That does not signify. I seek not to fasten down my honorable
                  
                  friend to the views he then held. Much light  
                  has been thrown on the whole subject since  
                  1856, and I trust we will all act on our conscientious convictions of what is best
                  for the  
                  country now—without regard to any opinions  
                  we may at other times have held. (Hear,  
                  hear.) But when my honorable friend and  
                  others allege that there never has been in  
                  Canada an agitation in favor of a Federal  
                  system, and that the people have never considered such a proposition, I think it directly
                  
                  in point to prove the contrary by my honorable friend's own proceedings. (Hear, hear.)
                  
                  The next step in the constitutional agitation  
                  of the country was the formation of the BROWN- 
                  DORION Administration. That was in 1858and to show how serious my honorable friend
                  
                  opposite (Hon. Mr. DORION) and myself and  
                  our ten colleagues viewed the position of the  
                  country from the denial of constitutional  
                  reform, I will read the official statement of  
                  the basis on which the Government was  
                  formed. I read, sir, from the Journals of the  
                  Legislative Council for 1858:- 
                  
 
               
               
               For some years past, sectional feelings have  
                  risen in this country which, especially during   the present session, have
                  seriously impeded the   carrying on of the administrative and legislative
                  functions of the Government. The late Administration made no
                  attempt to meet these difficulties   or to suggest a remedy for them, and
                  thereby the   evil has it greatly aggravated. His Excellency's
                  present Advisers have entered the Government with the fixed
                  determination to propose   constitutional measures for the establishment of
                  that harmony between Upper and Lower Canada  
                  
                  112 which is essential to the prosperity of the province. They respectfully submit that
                  they have   a right to
                  claim all the support which His Excellency can constitutionally
                  extend to them in the   prosecution of this all-important object.  
                  
               
               
               
                (Hear, hear.) Here, sir, was a Government
                  
                  formed seven years ago for the express purpose  
                  of doing that which we are now engaged ina Government distinctly telling the Governor
                  
                  General that the ace and prosperity of the  
                  country were an angered because constitutional remedies were deferred; and yet my
                  
                  honorable friends opposite, who with me were  
                  responsible for that document, tell us that we  
                  are not now in a fit position to legislate upon  
                  this question. (Hear, hear.) But I come  
                  next to the famous despatch to the Colonial  
                  Minister, signed in 1858 by my honorable  
                  friend the Minister of Finance, the Attorney  
                  General East, and the Hon. JOHN ROSS. It  
                  stated that "very grave difficulties now presented themselves in conducting the Government
                  of Canada"—that "the progress of population has been more rapid in the western  
                  section, and claims are now made on behalf of  
                  its inhabitants for giving them representation  
                  in the Legislature in proportion to their numbers"—that " the result is shown by an
                  agitation fraught with great danger to the peaceful  
                  and harmonious working of our constitutional  
                  system, and, consequently, detrimental to the  
                  progress of the province"—that "this state of  
                  things is yearly becoming worse"—and that  
                  "the Canadian Government were impressed  
                  with the necessity of seeking for such a mode  
                  of dealing with these difficulties as may for  
                  ever remove them." What must have been  
                  the state of public feeling when the Conservative Government of 1858 ventured to use
                  such  
                  language as this ?—and how can any one pretend that the people do not comprehend this
                  
                  question, when seven years of agitation have  
                  passed since that document was penned?  
                  (Hear, hear.) But, Mr. SPEAKER, I come to  
                  a still more important document—one that  
                  goes into the details and the merits of just  
                  such a scheme as that before the House. I  
                  refer to the manifesto issued, in 1859, by the  
                  Lower Canada members of the liberal party  
                  in this House. (Hear, hear.) It is very long,  
                  and I will only read from it a few extracts:- 
                  
               
               
               Your committee are impressed with the
                  conviction that whether we consider the present needs  
                  or the probable future condition of the country,  
                  the true, the statesman-like solution is to be  
                  sought in the substitution of a purely Federative  
                  for the present so-called Legislative Union; the  
                  former, it is believed, would enable us to escape  
                  
                  
                  all the evils, and to retain all the
                  advantages, appertaining to the existing
                  union.  
                  
               
               
               
                * * * * *  
               
               
                The proposition to federalize the
                  Canadian  
                  union is not new. On the contrary, it has been  
                  frequently mooted in Parliament and in the press  
                  during the last few years. It was, no doubt, suggested by the example of the neighboring
                  states, 
                  where the admirable adaptation of the Federal 
                  system to the Government of an extensive territory, inhabited by people of diverse
                  origins, creeds,  
                  laws and customs, has been amply demonstrated ;  
                  but shape and consistency were first imparted to  
                  it in 1856, when it was formally submitted to  
                  Parliament by the Lower Canada Opposition, as  
                  offering, in their judgement, the true corrective of  
                  the abuses generated under the
                  present system.  
                  
               
               
                * * * * *  
               
               
               
                By this division of power the General
                  Government would be relieved from those questions of a  
                  purely local and sectional character, which, under  
                  our present system, have led to much strife and  
                  ill-will.  
                  
               
               
                * * * * *  
               
               
                The committee believe that it is clearly
                  demonstrable that the direct cost of maintaining both  
                  the federal and local governments need not exceed that of our present system, while
                  its enormous indirect cost would, in consequence of the  
                  additional checks on expenditure involved in the  
                  new system, and the more direct responsibility of  
                  public servants in the province to the people immediately affected by such expenditure,
                  be entirely obviated.  
                  
               
               
                * * * * *  
               
               
                The proposed system could in no way
                  diminish  
                  the importance of the colony, or impair its credit,  
                  while it presents the advantage of being susceptible, without any disturbance of the
                  Federal economy, of such territorial extension as circumstances  
                  may hereafter render desirable.  
                  
               
               
               
                Now, sir, who were the signers of the address?—on whose special
                  responsibility was   this manifesto sent forth to the world? Why,   it was
                  signed by my honorable friend opposite,   Hon. A. A. DORION—(cheers and
                  laughter)   —Hon. T. D. MCGEE, Hon. L. T. DRUMMOND,   and HON. L. A.
                  DESSAULLES, four of the   most able and most popular leaders of the  
                  Lower Canada liberal party—the party now   virulently opposing the resolutions
                  before the   Chair. (Hear, hear.) So my honorable   friend opposite (Hon.
                  Mr. DORION) not only   agitated the country for constitutional changes,  
                  but insisted that it should take the shape of   a Federal union, because of
                  the cheapness of   that system and the facility it afforded for   bringing
                  within the federation the other   British American Provinces—(cheers and  
                  laughter)—and yet, six years after the promulgation of this
                  document, my honorable friend   gets up and repudiates a Federal union  
                  
                  113 because of its frightful cost and because it does  
                  bring within the Federation the other British   American Provinces !
                  (Continued cheering.)  
                  
               
               
               
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —I cannot exactly say  
                  who did the composition; but will not my  
                  honorable friend from Chateauguay (Hon. Mr.  
                  HOLTON) permit me to ask if his
                  hand is not  
                  discoverable in it? (Hear, hear, and laughter.)  
                  If so, he well may be proud of it, for it is a  
                  masterly exposition.  
                  
 
               
               
                HON. MR. HOLTON —Will my honorable  
                  friend accept it as an amendment to his  
                  scheme ?  
                  
 
               
               
               
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —I come now to the  
                  great meeting of the Reformers of Upper  
                  Canada, known as the Toronto Convention of  
                  1859, and at which 570 delegates were present  
                  from all parts of the western province. Here  
                  are the two chief resolutions:- 
                  
 
               
               
               5. Resolved,—That
                  in the opinion of this assembly, the best practicable remedy for the evils  
                  now encountered in the Government of Canada is  
                  to be found in the formation of two or more local  
                  governments, to which shall be committed the  
                  control of all matters of a local or sectional  
                  character, and some joint authority charged with  
                  such matters as are necessarily common to both  
                  sections of the province.  
                  
               
               
                6. Resolved,—That
                  while the details of the  
                  changes proposed in the last resolution are necessarily subject for future arrangement,
                  yet this  
                  assembly deems it imperative to
                  declare that no  
                  Government would be satisfactory to the people  
                  of Upper Canada which is not
                  based on the principle of representation by population.  
                  
               
               
               
                Here we have the very essence of the measure now before us for adoption—deliberately
                  
                  approved of by the largest body of representative men ever assembled in Upper Canada
                  for  
                  a political purpose; and yet we are to be told  
                  that our people do not understand the question, and we must go to them and explain
                  it,  
                  letter by letter, at an immense cost to the  
                  country, and at the risk of losing the whole  
                  scheme! (Hear, hear.) But let us see what  
                  followed. A general election was ordered in  
                  1861—there was a fierce contest at the polls  
                  —and the main question at every hustings,  
                  was the demand for constitutional changes.  
                  The result of that contest was the overthrow  
                  of the CARTIER-MACDONALD Ministry
                  and  
                  the formation of the MACDONALD-SICOTTE  
                  Administration in its room. But so bitter had  
                  been the struggle for and against constitutional changes, and so clearly defined were
                  
                  
                   
                  party-lines upon it, that it was found
                  impossible to construct that Government without a  
                  distinct pledge that it would resist every  
                  motion made upon the subject- 
                  
               
               
               
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —No, indeed, I did  
                  not. I but cite the fact to show how thoroughly the whole question has been agitated,
                  
                  and how perfectly its bearings have, for  
                  years past, been understood. Well, sir, mark  
                  what followed. One short year had not passed  
                  over the heads of the MACDONALD-SICOTTE
                  
                  Ministry before they tattered to their falland so repugnant to the House and to the
                  
                  country was their conduct on the constitutional  
                  question, that they dared not appeal to the  
                  country until they had changed their avowed  
                  policy upon it, and replaced the men  
                  who had forced upon them the narrow  
                  policy of the year before, by gentlemen  
                  understood to be more in favor of constitutional changes. The Government (MACDONALD-DORION),
                  so reconstructed, went to  
                  the country in 1863, but in the year following it, too, fell in its turn, simply because
                  it  
                  did not deal boldly with the constitutional  
                  question—
                  
 
               
               
                HON. MR. DORION —We had the support  
                  of all who were in favor of the question.  
                  
 
               
               
               
               
               
                HON. MR. HOLTON —We should have  
                  fallen if we had attempted to deal with it.  
                  
 
               
               
                HON. MR. BROWN —I entirely deny that;  
                  had you pursued a bold policy upon it you  
                  might have been in office up to this hour.  
                  (Hear, hear.) Well, sir, the MACDONALD- DORION made way for the TACHÉ-MACDONALD Administration—but
                  it, too, soon fell by  
                  a majority of two, simply because it did not  
                  deal with the constitutional question- 
                  
 
               
               
               
               
               
               
                  HON. MR. BROWN —My honorable friend  
                  cries "oh, oh," and I am perfectly amazed at   his doing so. I am about to
                  offer my honorable friend the most complete proof of the correctness of my statement—proof
                  so conclusive   that if he does
                  not accept of it as such, I do   not know how he can be convinced of anything.
                  In one single day the TACHÉ-MACDONALD   Administration, by taking up the
                  constitutional question boldly, turned their minority   of
                  two into a majority of seventy. (Loud cries   of hear, hear.) Could anything
                  prove more   unanswerably than this the deep hold this   question has on
                  the public mind, and the assured confidence of the members of this
                  House   that their constituents understand its whole  
                  
                  114 merits, when, in one day, such a startling political revolution was brought about
                  ? Was it,   think you, a
                  doubtful consideration that could   have induced the Upper Canada Opposition,
                  almost as one man, to cast down their party   intrenchments and make
                  common cause with   their opponents? Could there have been the   slightest
                  doubt as to the sentiments of our   people and the imperative necessity of
                  immediate action, when such men as now sit on   the
                  treasury benches, were forced, by their   supporters, to unite for the
                  settlement of this   question? And could there be a more conclusive proof of the ripeness
                  of public opinion   than the unanimous and
                  cordial manner in   which our so uniting has been sustained   by the press
                  of all parties, and by the electors at the polls? (Hear, hear.)
                  Never,   I venture to assert, was any great measure so   thoroughly
                  understood, and so cordially endorsed by the people of Canada, as
                  this measure   now under consideration. (Hear, hear.)The
                  British Government approves of it—the  Legislative Council approves of it—this
                  House almost unanimously approves of itthe press of all
                  parties approves of itand though the scheme has already been directly submitted to
                  fifty out of the one hundred
                  constituencies into which Canada is divided, only four candidates
                  ventured to appear   at the hustings in opposition to it—all of   them in
                  Lower Canada—and but two of them   were elected. (Cheers) And yet, sir, we are
                  to be told that we are stealing a march upon   the country; that it is
                  not understood by the   people; and that we must dissolve the ease   upon
                  it, at a vast cost to the exchequer, and   at the risk of allowing political
                  partisanship   to dash the fruit from our hands at the very   moment we
                  are about to grasp it! (Hear,   hear.) Sir, I have no fears whatever of an
                  appeal to the people. I cannot pretend to   speak as to the popular
                  feeling in Lower Canada, but I think thoroughly understand the
                  popular mind of the western province, and   hesitate not to say that
                  there are not five   gentlemen in this chamber (if so many) who   could go
                  before their constituents in Upper   Canada in opposition to this scheme, with
                  the   slightest chance of being returned. (Hear,   hear.) It is because I
                  thoroughly comprehend the feelings of the people upon it, that
                  I urge the adoption of this measure at the   earliest possible moment.
                  The most gross   injustice is to be rectified by it; the tax-payer   is to
                  be clothed with his rightful influence by   it; new commercial relations are
                  to be opened   up by it; a new impulse to the industrial  
                  
 pursuits of the country will be given by itand I for one
                  would feel myself false to the   cause I have so long sustained, and false to
                  the best interests of my constituents, if I   permitted one hour
                  unnecessarily to pass without bringing it to a final issue.
                  (Cheers) It   was only by the concurrence of most propitious
                  circumstances that the wonderful progress   this movement has made could have
                  accomplished. Most peuliar were the circumstances that enable such a coalition to
                  be   formed as that now existing for
                  the settlement   of this question—and who shall say at what   hour it may
                  not be rent asunder? And yet,   who will venture to affirm that if party
                  spirit   in all its fiereeness were once more to be let   loose amongst
                  us, there would be the slightest   hope that this great question could be
                  approached with that candor and harmony necessary to its satisfactory solution? (Hear,
                  hear.)   Then, sir, at the very
                  moment we resolved to   deal with this question of constitutional change,
                  the Maritime Provinces were about to assemble in joint
                  conference to consider whether   they ought not to form a union among themselves—and
                  the way was thus most propitiously   opened up for
                  the consideration of a union of   a British America. The civil war too, in
                  the neighboring republic; the possibility of   war between Great Britain
                  and the United   States; the threatened repeal of the Reciprocity Treaty; the threatened
                  abolition of the   American bonding system for
                  goods in   transitu to and from these provinces; the unsettled
                  position of the Hudson's Bay Company;   and the changed feeling of England as
                  to   the relations of great colonies to the parent   state;—all combine at
                  this moment to arrest   earnest attention to the gravity of the situation, and unite
                  us all in one vigorous effort to   meet the
                  emergency like men. (Hear, hear.)   The interests to be affected by this
                  scheme of   union are very large and varied—but the pressure
                  of circumstances upon all the colonies is so   serious at this moment, that if
                  we cannot now   banish partisanship and sectionalism and   petty
                  objections, and look at the matter on its   broad intrinsic merits, what hope
                  is there of   our ever being able to do so? An appeal to   the people of
                  Canada on this measure simply   means postponement of the question for a  
                  year—and who can tell how changed ere then   may be the circumstances
                  surrounding us?   Sir, the man who strives for the postponement   of this
                  measure on any ground, is doing what   he can to kill it almost as effectually
                  as if he   voted against it. (Hear, hear.) Let there be   no mistake as to
                  the manner in which the  
                  
                  115 Government presents this measure to the   House. We do
                  not present it as free from   fault, but we do present it as a measure so
                  advantageous to the people of Canada, that   all the blemishes, real or
                  imaginary, averred   against it, sink into utter insignificance in  
                  presence of its merits. (Hear, hear.) We present it, not in the
                  precise shape we in Canada   would desire it, but as in the best shape the
                  five   colonies to be united could agree upon it. We   present it in the
                  form in which the five governments have severally adopted it—in
                  the   form the Imperial Government has endorsed it   —and in the form in
                  which we believe all the   legislatures of the provinces will accept it.  
                  (Hear, hear.) We ask the House to pass it   in the exact form in which we have
                  presented   it, for we know not how alterations may affect   its safety in
                  other places, and the process of   alteration once commenced in four different
                  legislatures—who can tell where that would end?   Every
                  member of this House is free as air to   criticise it if he so wills, and
                  amend it if he is   able—but we warn him of the danger of   amendment, and
                  throw on him all the responsibility of the consequences. (Hear,
                  hear.)   We feel confident of carrying this scheme as it   stands—but we
                  cannot tell what we can do if   it be amended. (Hear, hear.) Let not honorable gentlemen
                  approach this measure as a   sharp critic
                  deals with an abstract question,   striving to point out blemishes and display
                  his ingenuity; but let us approach it as men   having but one
                  consideration before us—the   establishment of the future peace and prosperity of
                  our country. (Hear, hear.) Let us   look at it in the
                  light of a few months backin the light of the evils and injustice
                  to which   it applies a remedy—in the light of the years   of discord and
                  strife we have spent in seeking   for that remedy—in the light with which the
                  people of Canada would regard this measure   were it to be lost, and all
                  the evils of past   years to be brought back upon us again.   (Hear,
                  hear.) Let honorable gentlemen look   at the question in this view—and what
                  one of   them will take the responsibility of casting his   vote against
                  the measure? Sir, the future   destiny of these great provinces may be  
                  affected by the decision we are about to give   to an extent which at this
                  moment we may be   unable to estimate—but assuredly the welfare   for many
                  years of four millions of people   hangs on our decision. (Hear, hear.) Shall
                  we then rise equal to the occasion ?—shall we   approach this discussion
                  without partisanship,   and free from every rsonal feeling but the  
                  earnest resolution to discharge conscientiously  
                  
 the duty which an over-ruling Providence has   placed upon us? Sir, it
                  may be that some   among us will live to see the day when, as the   result
                  of this measure, a great and powerful   people may have grown up in these
                  landswhen the boundless forests all around us shall   have
                  given way to smiling fields and thriving   towns— and when one united
                  government,   under the British flag, shall extend from   shore to
                  shore:—but who would desire to   see that day if he could not recall with
                  satisfaction the part he took in this discussion?   Mr.
                  SPEAKER I have done. I leave the subject to the conscientious
                  judgment of the   House, in the confident expectation and belief that the decision
                  it will render will be   worthy of the Parliament of
                  Canada. (The   honorable gentleman resumed his seat amid   loud and
                  continued applause.)  
                  
 
               
               
                On motion of the 
Hon. Mr. MCGEE, the  
                  debate was further adjourned till Thursday  
                  evening.