 
                  
                  
                     Copy of a Minute by me on defences of 
Vancouver.
                     
Duplicate (the original being in too small writing, not
                     convenient for reading).
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     This subject is new to me, as I was absent on leave when the
                     suggestion arrived. And the original Papers being mislaid, and
                     only copies obtainable, I have not the advantage of seeing any
                     Minute which 
Lord Carnarvon may have made. It is therefore with
                     diffidence that, on a subject involving large questions of national
policy
                     policy, I will note what occurs to me.
                     
                     Admiral Denman seems to me to have no more than done his duty in
                     pointing out that unless 
Vancouver can be well defended, the Naval
                     Depôt there should not be increased beyond the ordinary wants of a
                     time of peace. Of course Stores should not be accumulated where
                     they are likely to fall into the hands of an enemy. He also justly
                     observes that if the permanent retention of the Country is
                     doubtful, our interests there should
not
 not be needlessly extended,
                     nor any special encouragement held out to Emigrants (which in fact
                     is not done). These remarks are correct; but they point, it will
                     be observed, not to a single conclusion, but to a choice between
                     two alternatives.
                     
 
                  
                  
                     Vancouver is for practical purposes probably the most inaccessible
                     to Great Britain of any settled part of the Globe. At the time of
                     the 
Trent crisis, we were at our wits ends to get a Despatch safely
                     conveyed across the 
Isthmus of Panama. Troops and Stores
must
 must go
                     round 
Cape Horn by a voyage of, I should conjecture, about four
                     months. The place is about twice as far in time as the Antipodes.
                     If we were to fortify 
Vancouver there would be:
                     
 
                  
                  
                     1 The cost of the Batteries and of their Armament (no mean Item
                     in modern days).
                     
                  
                  
                     2 The expense of a Garrison, for we could not plant Works and
                     Guns without a defensive force; and the inhabitants are too few,
                     too busy, and of too lukewarm an attachment to us, to be employed
for
                     for the purpose.
                     
                     3 When all is done, we should in the immediate neighbourhood
                     of the overwhelming population of California, be attempting with a
                     scanty, mixed, and not universally well-affected population, at a
                     distance of three or four months from England, what is considered
                     difficult in Canada with a population of Millions, thoroughly
                     well-disposed to the connexion, and within some ten or twelve days
                     steaming of our shores.
                     
                  
                  
                     Whilst agreeing therefore in the dilemma put by 
AdmiralDenman Denman
 Denman,
                     there seems to be much to be said for letting things alone, and
                     awaiting the course of events. The 
War Office it will be seen, are
                     not disposed to undertake a Defensive Work. For my part I would
                     shrink from no expenditure of lives or Treasure on any object dear
                     to England; but I cannot help doubting whether it would be worth
                     while to do so in order to provide a Government for the Americans
                     who, I suspect, must in the long run form the majority of the
                     inhabitants of 
Vancouver and 
British Columbia.
                     
 
                  
                  
                     The defence of 
V.C.I. in time of war is, as far as I can see
                     hopelessly difficult—and whatever sums one might expend upon
                     military works & garrison they 
w only be taken & the island
                     over-run before reinforcements (at an enormus expense) c reach
                     the place of action. I c not with a view to war recommend any
                     expenditure.
                     
                     The only question is whether it may not be desirable with a view to
                     many contingencies 
w are quite possible if not probable in the
                     U.S. to remove the feeling of discontent, 
w from many quarters we
                     are told exists in 
V.C.I., by some local changes & commissions
                     provided that they do not involve a large or permanent expenditure
                     on this country.
                     
                     As regards the dock the expense 
w probably be considerable & the
                     value—except commercially, in 
w case it ought to be

 constructed
                     as a private undertaking—slight. But I s wish to have some
                     information as to the cost of making 
Esquimalt a packet station.
                     
Admiral Denman speaks of it as trifling. We know from other
                     sources that it 
w be viewed as a great boon by the Colony. A
                     
Private communication to 
the Treasury or Post Office 
w be
                     the best means of ascertaining this.
                     
                     Something may perhaps be done on the spot by preserving to 
Victoria
                     some of the advantages of a capital. But 
Gov Seymour will be
                     best able to speak on this point.
                     
                     I shall be glad to be informed on the point I have noted above.
                     
                  
                  
                   
                  
                  
                  
                  
                     Admiral Denman suggests two measures the creation of a Dock at
                     
Esquimalt and the establishment of a Packet Station there, which he
                     says might be effected at a very small expense on the present
                     contracts.
                     
 
                  
                  
                     I have placed myself in communication with the late Governor of
                     
Vancouver Island, 
Captain Kennedy, with 
Captain Richards, R.N. the
                     Hydrographer of the 
Admiralty, who was on the North Pacific Station
                     for 7 years, and with 
M W.J. Page, one of the Chief Clerks at the
                     General Post Office whose business is to superintend Colonial Post
                     Office questions. Adding my own information
to
 to theirs on these
                     subjects the result is as follows: On the whole of the N. American
                     side of the N. Pacific there is not a single Dock belonging to
                     Great Britain where Vessels of War or Merchantmen can repair their
                     disasters. They are obliged to go to 
San Francisco for that
                     purpose, and are consequently entirely dependent on the courtesy of
                     the Americans to enable them to refit. 
Captain Richards' ship,
                     during the critical time of the "
Trent" difficulty, was actually in
                     dock at 
San Francisco and might have been impounded if war had
                     occurred. The want of a dock has been felt to
be
 be a most serious
                     evil—but the 
Admiralty have not thought proper to remedy it. An
                     attempt was made by a commercial company to make a dock but it fell
                     through, and at the present time there is little probability of any
                     renewal of it from that source: But are there not grounds for the
                     work being undertaken by the British Government? 
Vancouver Island
                     and 
B. Columbia cannot be defended by Forts and Garrisons. Their
                     only protection is by the means of a naval force. We have on the
                     Station now 13 Vessels of war of different
sizes
 sizes, numbering 191
                     guns. These ships must occasionally require repairs. It would be
                     worth while to know what these repairs annually cost the 
Admiralty
                     in a foreign port. If we must have a squadron on the station we
                     surely ought to possess in a British port facilities for repairing
                     them, and not be beholden to any foreign country for such
                     convenience which may be withheld at pleasure. 
Captain Richards, on
                     a rough estimate, thinks £80,000 would probably suffice for the
                     work. But I fear this sum would not be enough; for the land about
                     
Esquimaltis
 is in the hands of private parties, and would have to be
                     purchased. The 
Admiralty have a very small bit of ground there.
                     The 
harbor of Esquimalt is one of the finest in the world. The
                     objection may be raised that if the Imperial 
Gov makes this dock
                     we might only be making if for the Americans. But ought this
                     objection to prevail? We have these Colonies, and are bound to
                     protect them as long as we can. And can we do so, in time of war,
                     without a dock of our own?
                     
                     If 
Lord Carnarvon should at all agree in the view I have faintly
                     sketched a letter
might
 might be written to the 
Admiralty
                     referring to 
Admiral Denman's suggestion as to the dock, desiring
                     to know whether, in consideration of the duty imposed on this
                     country of affording protection to these Colonies by the means of a
                     Naval Squadron, their Lordship's consider that a dock can any
                     longer be dispensed with. That representations have, it is
                     understood, been addressed at different times [to] H.M. 
Gov on
                     this subject, and that 
Lord Carnarvon is of opinion that the
                     suggestion made by 
Admiral Denman deserves the early and serious
                     attention of

 the 
Admiralty.
                     
                     2. 
Packet Station
                     
                     When the Colony of 
British Columbia was established 
Lord Lytton
                     pressed very strongly for a postal subsidy. But it could not be
                     granted. In 
1863 M Childers revived the subject with no better
                     success.
                     
                     
                     
                        
                           
                           See annexed copy of a Letter from the G.P.O. to the T-y d. 14
                              Nov/63.
                           
                        
                      
                     
                     The two Colonies were therefore compelled to get their
                     correspondence conveyed in the best way they could, which has been
                     by the means of the American Steamers.
                     
 
 
                  
                  
                     At the present moment the English line, in the direction of
                     
Vancouver Island and 
British Columbia, ceases at 
Colon, and is
                     thence carried in American Steamers to 
San Francisco, whence the
                     Mail is conveyed by an American Steamer, subsidized by the Colonies
                     (one in 21 days) at a cost of £300 to each Colony for each trip.
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     There is no book post and the American postage is, in amount
                     prohibitory. It would doubtless be a great help to 
B. Columbia and
                     
Vancouver Island to get a British subsidy to their Mails, or to
                     have a packet station made for
them
 them. 
Admiral Denman says that a
                     
                     station at 
Esquimalt for the steam vessels running between 
Panama
                     and Australia might be effected at a very small increase on the
                     cost of the present contracts under which the English Mails taken
                     to 
San Francisco in American Vessels are now brought up from thence
                     to 
Esquimalt.
                     
                     What 
Admiral Denman means, I suppose, is not that any mail service
                     should be grafted on the Australian New Zealand and 
Panama
                     Line—which receives a subsidy from those Colonies of £70,000 a
                     year, and who would never consent to a diversion of 10,000 miles
                     out
of
 of the direct route—but that a station should be built at
                     
Esquimalt for a mail service between 
B. Columbia and 
Vancouver Island to 
San Francisco, which Mail service should receive an
                     English subsidy for that duty.
                     
                     
                     
                        
                           
                           M Page is of opinion that even if the
                           
Panama and N. Zealand C 
w agree to call at 
Esquimalt it 
w
                           only give a communication with England once in each Calendar month,
                           & even by that communication the time occupied 
w exceed that in
                           wh. Letters are now generally carried vi'
a New York, & overland to
                           San Francisco.
                           
 
                        
                      
                     
                     The distance between 
San Francisco and 
Vancouver Island is 700 miles. Between 
Panama and 
Vanc: Island it is nearly
                     5000 miles. But before building a packet station we must have
                     packets, and those ought to be British not American. Supposing
                     that a subsidy be granted for the mail service to 
San Francisco we
                     shall still be entirely at the mercy
of
 of the Americans for the
                     conveyance of the correspondence and of passengers from 
San Francisco to 
Panama: and the Americans will use every exertion, as
                     they are doing now, to extend their commercial and other influences
                     in the North Pacific and maintain their ascendancy in that quarter
                     over Great Britain: I fear myself that neither a packet station nor
                     a dock at 
Vancouver Island will be an equipoise to the pushing
                     vigor of the Americans of California and Oregon, but 
the Treasury
                     might be fairly asked whether, now that 
B. Columbia and 
Vanc: Islandhave
 have become one great Dependency of the Crown, and that
                     their postal system is so imperfectly conducted, the time had not
                     arrived for giving that Colony some assistance in the shape of a
                     postal subsidy.