Public Offices document.
Minutes (4), Other documents (1).
Murdoch summarizes recent developments in ongoing negotiations between the Crown and the
HBC regarding the
company's claim for compensation for costs incurred while it was administering Vancouver Island. The
Treasury refuses to pay more than £30,000 and the HBC refuses to accept less than £35,000.
Murdoch notes that if the Company are determined not to accept a balance of £30,000 in full of their
claim, and compel the
Crown to resort to legal proceedings it can scarcely be doubted that the expense will
be great—the result doubtful—and the delay most injurious.
I have to acknowledge your letter of 8th instant with one from the
Treasury enclosing a further report from Mr Andoe on the amount to
be paid to the Hudson's Bay Co for the reconveyance of VanCouvers Island to the Crown.
2. The position of the case is as follows. The Company sent in a
claim amounting to £53.569.14.2. Mr Andoe to whom it was referred
suggested the disallowance of items to the extent of £26,157.3.10
reducing the claim to £27,412.10.4. Mr Andoe's report was
communicated to the Company. When the papers were subsequently
referred to this Board I submitted that two items disallowed by Mr
Andoe vizt Commission on unpaid Land instalments £2405.13.10 and
interest on expenditure stated by the Company at £3279.6.5 might
fairly be allowed but I submitted whether a greater reduction ought
not to be made on the claim of the Company for the maintenance of
Settlers under the circumstances explained in my report of 18th
March last—Mr Andoe in his letter of 24th ultimo adopts that view
and thereby after allowing the Commission and interest reduces the
claim of the Company to £28,995.14.11. The Lords of the Treasury
concurring with Mr Andoe announce that they would not feel justified
in submitting to Parliament any vote beyond that taken last session
in respect of the claims of the Company.
3. The Company on the other hand maintain the justice of the claims
they originally put forward but agree to accept as a compromize the
sum of £35,000. The question between them and the Crown is therefore
a sum of £5,000.
4. The case is somewhat complicated by the fact that Mr Andoe's
first report admitting the claim of the Company to the extent of
£27,412.10.4 is known to them and that they are aware that their
claim for Commission on unpaid Land instalments and for interest
cannot be resisted. If these were added to the above sum of
£27,412.10.4 they would make a total of £33,097.10.7. It was on these
grounds that I suggested in my report of 18th March last that a payment of £32,000 would not be excessive, and that it would be good
policy and economy even to pay £35,000 rather than have recourse to
legal proceedings to compel the Company to reconvey the Island. That
opinion I repeated in my report of 12th ultimo and I continue to adhere to it. If the Company are determined not to accept a balance
of £30,000 in full of their claim, and compel the Crown to resort to
legal proceedings it can scarcely be doubted that the expense will be
great—the result doubtful—and the delay most injurious. I do not
think they would be compensated by a saving of £5000 even if the
decision should eventually be in favor of the Crown.
I have the honor to be
Sir
Your Obedient
Humble Servant T.W.C. Murdoch
Duke of Newcastle
I think we should act upon the advice of our officer, the
L & E Commr, as far as our responsibility goes. I would
therefore send copy of this report to the Tr[easur]y, saying that
Y.G. felt yourself compelled, however reluctantly, to concur with Mr Murdoch in thinking [it] more advisable to increase the payment to be
made to the H.B.Co to £32,000 or even to £35,000, than to subject
HM'sGovt to the expense of legal proceedings.
But that if their Lordships, upon full consideration, should think it
right to adhere to the contrary opinion, you wd be prepared to
decline to make any payment beyond the sum of £30,000 voted by
Parlmt—upon receiving the Sanction of the Tr[easur]y to the
incurring of such necessary expense as might be occasioned by
resisting any legal proceedings that might be taken by the Co for
the recovery of the balance of their claim.
Rogers to F. Peel, Treasury, 22 August 1862, forwarding copy of the
report from Murdoch, and further discussing the course of action to
be taken in regard to payment of the Hudson's Bay Company claim.