Public Offices document [Sender not known.] to Elliot, Thomas Frederick 26 November 1858, CO 305:9, no. 12126, 345.
Abstract
Public Offices document.
Minutes (3), Marginalia (2).
Murdoch and Rogers offer their opinions on the negotiations between the HBC and the Crown concerning the takeover of land and property by the Colonial government.
They suggest that before further steps are made, the HBC is asked to draw a distinction between their property at a coal mine in Fort Rupert and property on the rest of Vancouver Island.
The minutes adopt Murdoch and Rogers’ last suggestion and propose it to the HBC.
We have to acknowledge your letter of 6th instant, enclosing
the further statement sent in by the Hudsons Bay Company of
their claim against the Crown on the resumption of Van Couvers
Island.
2. In March last the Company sent in Accounts showing a claim
against the Crown for the whole of themoney money expended by them in
Van Couvers Island and for the value of their property and
establishments amounting altogether to £225,699.9.11. On a
reference to the Law Officers
they gave it as their opinion that
the Crown was only bound to compensate the Company for the sums
laid out by them on the Island as owners, and for the value of
their Establishments, property and effects thereon connected
with such ownership—whichwere
were substantially the establishments
and property got together in consequence of their Territorial
possession of the Soil and to facilitate the settlement and
Government of the Island. In the principle thus laid down the
Company expressed their acquiescence and the account enclosed in
your letter of 6th instant professes to be framed upon it.
3. That Account comprizes only three items—vizt
1. Balance due on 31st Janry last on account of expend==iture
=iture on public Works and Establishments £8.505.6.11.
2. Cost of sending out and maintaining Settlers £25,550.
3. Loss on searching for Coal at Fort Rupert &c £12.469.5.7.
4. To the first two items we see no objection in principle.
The items will of course hereafter be verified by the Treasury
and such vouchers as circumstances may admit be obtained. But
the charges appear to fall fairly within the description of
charges incurredby
by reason of the Company's territorial
possession & ownership of the Island.
5. But in regard to the third item, vizt the loss on searching
for Coal at Fort Rupert, we entertain great doubt. The Coal
Mine at Fort Rupert appears to us to stand upon precisely the
same footing as the Farms and Mills, and the Coal Mine at
Nanaimo, inserted in the first account, and withdrawn from the
present. That the expenditure has resulted in a Loss does not
make anydif
difference. The Crown is bound to take over the whole
of the Company's property or none. There is no reason why the
property which has resulted in a loss should be considered as
attaching to the ownership of the Company more than that which
has resulted in a profit. The same principle must we conceive
attach to both and if the Company is to retain possession of its
valuable property it must also sustain the burthen of that which
is of no value.
We
6. We would suggest that before any further step is taken the
Company should be requested to state on what ground they draw a
distinction between their property in the Coal Mine at Fort Rupert and their other property on the Island.