Despatch to London.
Minutes (4), Enclosures (untranscribed) (3), Other documents (2).
Seymour discusses how Needham and Begbie responded to Buckingham’s Judiciary arrangements for addressing the issues arising from the union of Vancouver Island and British Columbia and notes how both Needham and Begbie view themselves as distinct from the other’s authority. Seymour forwards an extract from Begbie regarding Begbie’s position, a judgement from Needham regarding Needham’s position, and a report from the attorney general advising for a settlement to the
issue from the Colonial Office. Holland’s minute states that the Colonial Legislature has the authority to make changes to the courts in the colonies, but advises Imperial Legislation to settle the judiciary issues. Holland further minutes that another option is relocating Needhamto another colony. Included documents discuss proposals and questions regarding the Supreme Courts of
Justice in British Columbia.
No. 86
Victoria
10th July 1867
My Lord Duke,
I have had the honor to receive Your Grace's despatch No. 5
of the 14th March, on the subject of the Judiciary arrangements
to be made in consequence of the Union ofVancouverVancouver Island with
British Columbia.
2. Your Grace states that the Act of Parliament under which
these Colonies were united was not intended to touch titles,
jurisdiction, powers and position of the Judges and that it appears
to Your Grace not to have touched them. Therefore Mr Needham
is still Chief Justice of Vancouver Island with all the same powers
and authority that he had before the Act passed.3. But
3. But since doubts have arisen as to Mr Needham's position,
and as, on the mainland, so meritorious a Public Servant as Mr
Begbie should not suffer any loss of importance by the amalgamation
of the Colonies, Your Grace directs me to apply for Legislative
aid to settle the positions of the two Judges. Both are to have the
title of Chief Justice. The one having precedence on the mainland.
The other on the Island. Shoulda a vacancy occur, the remaining Judge
to have the title of "Chief Justice of British Columbia" and a Puisne
Judge to be appointed under him for the whole Colony. Jurisdiction
to be given to each Chief Justice over every part of the Colony of
British Columbia as now constituted.
4. I need not say how anxious I am to carry Your Grace's
instructions into effect, but I meet with difficulty at every step
and Judges are notofficers officers I should wish to coerce.
5. Being at New Westminster at the time of the receipt of
Your Graces's despatch I sent first for Mr Justice Begbie. He
professed his willingness to assist me in every way in obeying
Your Grace's orders. He was ready, though reluctant, to accept a
title which though conferring a higher rank seemed to him to
diminish the jurisdiction of his Court. He did not see how, if
the Orderin in Council of 1856 were still in existence, he could be
appointed a Judge under it without a Warrant under the Royal Sign
Manual and a Commission under the Public Seal of the extinct
Colony of Vancouver Island. Further, that if the Orders in
Council of 1856 were still in force, the "Supreme Court of the
Colony of Vancouver Island" now subsists in entire independence
of the existing Legislature and Executive. But I will allow Mr
Begbie to speakfor for himself in the Extracts from a Minute by him
which I enclose.
6. I then spoke to Mr Needham. He seemed pleased that
Your Grace was of opinion that his powers and position were
unchanged by the Act of Union. But if he was expected to act as
a Puisne Judge under Mr Begbie, he would not do it. He would
receive no further Commission from me. He would stand upon the
Orders in Council of 1856. He repudiated the Authority of the
Local Legislatureto to make Laws to effect his Court. I annex a
judgement recently given by Mr Needham to the above effect.
With one Judge, anxious to conciliate yet adverse to accept the
distinction of title offered, who held the opinion that if the
Court of Vancouver Island exists at all, he could not be appointed
a Puisne Judge of it without the Sign Manual and the revival of
an apparently extinct Seal and who further was persuadedthat that in
the above supposed case the Local Legislature could not give me the
aid suggested by Your Grace, I began to hesitate in applying to
the Council for assistance. But when I found that the other Judge
would accept of no compromise and distinctly repudiated the
Authority of the Local Legislature to interfere, I felt that I must,
though with great reluctance, fall back upon Your Grace for further
instructions.7. It
7. It may perhaps under the circumstances be immaterial
to state that the Legislative Council is not now in session.
8. Before troubling Your Grace, however, I referred for
the advice of the Attorney General. I enclose the report with
which he has furnished me. He also thinks a local settlement of
the question impossible. [He] Prays for the opinion of the Law
Officers of the Crown and forcibly points out the dangers of the
presentstate state of uncertainty with the prospect ahead of all the
sectional bitterness of this divided Colony breaking forth in the
next Session of the Legislature. I beg to call Your Grace's
particular attention to this letter.
9. As for myself I stand as much aloof from the whole
matter as I can. The burdened Colony still bears the expense of
two separate Supreme Courts. Both Judgesproceed proceed according to
their own judgement without any interference, and both are by
Courtesy called Chief Justice, though Mr Begbie has not
accepted the appointment of Chief Justice of the Mainland, and
though I cannot free my mind of the doubt as to whether the
Proclamation of Union did not sweep away Mr Needham and his Court.
I have the honor to be,
My Lord Duke, Your
Your most obedient
humble Servant Frederick Seymour
Sir F. Rogers Mr Needham, Mr Begbie (the 2 Judges) & the Attorney
General oppose the scheme proposed in the Despatch to the
Governor of the 14th March (1949). Not one of these
gentlemen, however, takes notice of the Colonial Laws
Validity Act (28 & 29 V. c. 63) by which a Colonial Legislature
is empowered to abolish & re-constitute Courts, & make
provision for the administration of justice.
It appears to me that the scheme proposed was perfectly
fair & met the difficulties of the case; & that it can be
worked out by the Colonial Legislature under the powers of
the Imperial Act.
I have sketched out, & send on for your consideration a
draft ordinance to carry out that scheme.
Looking, however, to the doubts raised in the Colony as
to the effect of the British Columbia Act 1866 upon the
"Supreme Court of the Colony of Vancouver Island" (upon which
question the opinion of the Law Officers is desired) I am
inclined to think that the provisions of the 1st section
of the draft Ordinance had better be carried out by an Imperial Act.
I wd suggest that the draft Ordinance should be sent
out to the Governor, not necessarily to be passed in its present
shape, as improvements may be suggested by those who have a
practical knowledge of the working of these Courts & of local
requirements, but as a sketch of what His Grace desires to see
carried out, and the Governor might be informed that though
H.G. retains the view which he has before expressed, as to the
effect of the British Columbia Act, he is prepared to have all
doubts upon this point set at rest by Imperial Legislation.
Documents enclosed with the main document (not transcribed)
Memorandum, M.B. Begbie, 29 May 1867, advising of the difficulty
of complying with imperial instructions regarding disposition of the
chief justiceship in the colony.
Newspaper clipping, unnamed, 10 July 1867, describing a case before
the Supreme Court in which Needham repudiated the effect of the union
upon his court.
Sketch of ordinance for regulating the Supreme Courts of Justice
of British Columbia, 9 September 1867.
Colonial Office to Attorney General and Solicitor General, 18
October 1867, calling attention to certain questions with regard
to the courts of British Columbia.
Minutes by CO staff
Mr Holland
What do you say to this. Fortified with the opinion
of the L.O. I would send out to the Gov. your draft Ordce
and leave the Gov. & others to pass it (wh of course
he can if he chooses) or to find his own way thro' the difficulty.
I detained this expecting to be able to solve the difficulty
by withdrawing Mr Needham to another colony, but not having been
able yet to decide—proceed as drafted.