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Permalink 11:55:20 am, by Greg, 26 words, 65 views   English (CA)
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CEF nominal rolls

Nominal rolls held by LAC can be found
A nice list of the rolls available on line can be found here


Permalink 03:26:49 pm, by Greg, 39 words, 116 views   English (CA)
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Good external data site

The International Red Cross has a site dedicated to prisoners of war. They've digitized most (all?) of the WW1 POW records they hold, and you can look them up.
I looked up this dude, and found his record here.


Permalink 09:37:51 am, by Greg, 708 words, 145 views   English (CA)
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Stuff we need

Mapping of Duguid occupation codes to HISCO. Here's a quick take on it:
AG Agriculture.....................HISCO major group 6 - Agricultural, Animal Husbandry And Forestry Workers, Fishermen And Hunters
BT Building Trades.................HISCO minor group 95 - Bricklayers, Carpenters and Other Construction Workers
CM Civil and Municipal.............HISCO minor group 20 - Legislative Officials and Government Administrators
CL Clerical........................HISCO major group 3 - Clerical And Related Workers
DP Domestic and personal services..HISCO major group 5 - Service Workers
EF Engineers, Firemen..............HISCO minor group 98 - Transport Equipment Operators
FR Forestry........................HISCO minor group 63 - Forestry Workers
HF Hunting and fishing.............HISCO minor group 64 - Fishermen, Hunters and Related Workers
LA Labourers.......................HISCO minor group 99 - Labourers Not Elsewhere Classified
MA Manufacturing...................HISCO major groups 7/8/9 - Production And Related Workers
ME Mechanics.......................HISCO major group 8 - Production And Related Workers, Transport Equipment Operators And Labourers
TR Mercantile......................HISCO major group 4 - Sales Workers
MI Mining..........................HISCO minor group 71 - Miners, Quarrymen, Well Drillers and Related Workers
PE Printers, Engravers.............HISCO minor group 92 - Printers and Related Workers
PR Professional....................HISCO major groups 0/1 - Professional, Technical And Related Workers
ST Students........................?
TN Transportation..................HISCO minor group 98 - Transport Equipment Operators
OU Other...........................?
NA Unknown.........................?
UN Not Specified...................?

On this level of granularity, HISCO offers the following:
[0/1] Professional, Technical And Related Workers
[2] Administrative And Managerial Workers
[3] Clerical And Related Workers
[4] Sales Workers
[5] Service Workers
[6] Agricultural, Animal Husbandry And Forestry Workers, Fishermen And Hunters
[7/8/9] Production And Related Workers, Transport Equipment Operators And Labourers

I think the real value of the HISCO coding is at the next level down, though. For each bold heading we have minor groups that we will be able to sort on. So, we can search specifically for jewellers and find people that attested as jeweller, goldsmith, silversmith, whitesmith, etc.

Professional, Technical And Related Workers
[01] Physical Scientists and Related Technicians
[02 or 03] Architects, Engineers and Related Technicians
[04] Aircraft and Ships' Officers
[05] Life Scientists and Related Technicians
[06 or 07] Medical, Dental, Veterinary and Related Workers
[08] Statisticians, Mathematicians, Systems Analysts and Related Technicians
[09] Economists
[11] Accountants
[12] Jurists
[13] Teachers
[14] Workers in Religion
[15] Authors, Journalists and Related Writers
[16] Sculptors, Painters, Photographers and Related Creative Artists
[17] Composers and Performing Artists
[18] Athletes, Sportsmen and Related Workers
[19] Professional, Technical and Related Workers Not Elsewhere Classified

Administrative And Managerial Workers
[20] Legislative Officials and Government Administrators
[21] Managers
[22] Supervisors, Foremen and Inspectors

Clerical And Related Workers
[30] Clerical and Related Workers, Specialisation Unknown
[31] Government Executive Officials
[32] Stenographers, Typists and Card‑ and Tape‑Punching Machine Operators
[33] Bookkeepers, Cashiers and Related Workers
[34] Computing Machine Operators
[36] Transport Conductors
[37] Mail Distribution Clerks
[38] Telephone and Telegraph Operators
[39] Clerical and Related Workers Not Elsewhere Classified

Sales Workers
[41] Working Proprietors (Wholesale and Retail Trade)
[42] Buyers
[43] Technical Salesmen, Commercial Travellers and Manufacturers Agents
[44] Insurance Real Estate, Securities and Business Services Salesmen and Auctioneers
[45] Sales Workers Not Elsewhere Classified

Service Workers
[51] Working Proprietors (Catering, Lodging and Leisure Services)
[53] Cooks, Waiters, Bartenders and Related Workers
[54] Maids and Related Housekeeping Service Workers Not Elsewhere Classified
[55] Building Caretakers, Charworkers, Cleaners and Related Workers
[56] Launderers, Dry-Cleaners and Pressers
[57] Hairdressers, Barbers, Beauticians and Related Workers
[58] Protective Service Workers
[59] Service Workers Not Elsewhere Classified

Agricultural, Animal Husbandry And Forestry Workers, Fishermen And Hunters
[61] Farmers
[62] Agricultural and Animal Husbandry Workers
[63] Forestry Workers
[64] Fishermen, Hunters and Related Workers

Production And Related Workers, Transport Equipment Operators And Labourers
[71] Miners, Quarrymen, Well Drillers and Related Workers
[72] Metal Processors
[73] Wood Preparation Workers and Paper Makers
[74] Chemical Processors and Related Workers
[75] Spinners, Weavers, Knitters, Dyers and Related Workers
[76] Tanners, Fellmongers and Pelt Dressers
[77] Food and Beverage Processors
[78] Tobacco Preparers and Tobacco Product Makers
[79] Tailors, Dressmakers, Sewers, Upholsterers and Related Workers
[80] Shoemakers and Leather Goods Makers
[81] Cabinetmakers and Related Woodworkers
[82] Stone Cutters and Carvers
[83] Blacksmiths, Toolmakers and Machine Tool Operators
[84] Machinery Fitters, Machine Assemblers and Precision-Instrument Makers (except Electrical)
[85] Electrical Fitters and Related Electrical and Electronics Workers
[86] Broadcasting Station and Sound Equipment Operators and Cinema Projectionists
[87] Plumbers, Welders, Sheet Metal and Structural Metal Preparers and Erectors
[88] Jewellery and Precious Metal Workers
[89] Glass Formers, Potters and Related Workers
[90] Rubber and Plastics Product Makers
[91] Paper and Paperboard Products Makers
[92] Printers and Related Workers
[93] Painters
[94] Production and Related Workers Not Elsewhere Classified
[95] Bricklayers, Carpenters and Other Construction Workers
[96] Stationary Engine and Related Equipment Operators
[97] Material Handling and Related Equipment Operators, Dockers and Freight Handlers
[98] Transport Equipment Operators
[99] Labourers Not Elsewhere Classified


Permalink 07:01:21 pm, by Marc, 45 words, 117 views   English (CA)
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Romanian Awards

Sarah, I believe the phrasing for the Romanian Military Virtue Medal is "Croix de Virtue Militara 1st Class" and "2nd Class" - both Jim Wallace's "Foreign Awards" and the Australian War Memorial list it as such. 2 of each were awarded to members of the CEF


Permalink 02:50:28 pm, by Sarah, 151 words, 104 views   English (CA)
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Cemetery Notes

Note Meanings

To Be Added. : Cemetery identified and needs to be added to canonical (see blog post)

Unclear. : Unsure which record this entry belongs to or cannot find cemetery that corresponds to the name with the correct person buried there.

Cannot Find Record. : Cannot find the entry that lists this burial location


There is no Woodland Cemetery in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, only a Woodlawn Cemetery and the Woodlawn Cemetery has burial records for people whose notes say they were buried at Woodland Cemetery. This confusion between Woodlawn and Woodland is common in several other cemetery name transcriptions as well.

In cases of very common cemetery names i.e. Woodlawn, the Commonwealth War Graves Commission lists cemeteries as Town Name (Common Name) Cemetery, a style I have adapted when adding cemeteries to canonical with the same common name.


= Roman Catholic

= Find a Grave
CWGC = Commonwealth War Graves Commission


Permalink 02:34:18 pm, by Sarah, 219 words, 70 views   English (CA)
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Medals with their own categories

Awarded during WWI (from

Victoria Cross
George Cross (none in DB yet)
Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE)
Distinguished Service Order (DSO)
Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE)
Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE)
Royal Red Cross Class 1 (RRC)
Distinguished Service Cross (DSC)
Military Cross (MC)
Distinguished Flying Cross (DFC)
Air Force Cross (AFC)
Royal Red Cross Class 2 (ARRC)
Distinguished Conduct Medal (DCM)
Conspicuous Gallantry Medal (Naval) (CGM)
George Medal (GM) (none in DB yet)
Distinguished Service Medal (DSM)
Military Medal (MM)
Distinguished Flying Medal (DFM)
Air Force Medal (AFM) (None in DB yet)
British Empire Medal (Military and Civil) (BEM) (None in DB yet)

Others recommended by Jim:

Croix de Guerre (Belgium)
Croix de Guerre (France)
Cross of Military Merit 3rd Class (Bavaria)
Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire
Member of the Order of the British Empire
Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE)

26 total. Approved by Jim. in notes section. Finished flagging appropriate medals as Approved by Jim 6-9

Note: There are two medals flagged as Unclear (Conspicuous Gallantry Medal and Royal Red Cross) that do not specify which of the two medals they are, but both belong on the approved medal list.


Permalink 02:57:52 pm, by Sarah, 178 words, 95 views   English (CA)
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Medal Notes and Questions

Localized names included for English translations like Italy's Bronze Medal for Military Valour (Medaglia di bronzo al Valore Militare) but what about medals that are commonly known by their non-English name i.e. Croix de Guerre. (French: Croix de guerre)

When the normalized name of an award is entered as Unclear, this indicates that I have encountered a problem in the identification process, an explanation of which can be found in the notes section.

I cannot figure out the Romanian phrasing for 1st class for the Military Virtue Medal (Medalia Virtutea Militară)

Note: Although it is not part of the proper name in the case of several medals I have kept the country identifies in the normalized names to distinguish between medals of the same name awarded by different countries i.e. Belgium and France both have Croix de guerre medals.

Should titles be included in the Medals Section? I.e. Duke of Jassy which was awarded to Honourary Lieutenant Colonel Joseph Whiteside Boyle.
- Also have stripes, mentions etc.

When entering Orders, should we distinguish between ranks?

Permalink 02:57:15 pm, by Sarah, 169 words, 139 views   English (CA)
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Cemetery Problems

Multiple Entries

I have two entries for York Cemetery and don't know which one belongs to which man.

Samuel Dale Beattie (obituary on CGWP indicates he was buried at York Cemetery and services held at a chapel in North York). Born June 29 1888, Died March 8 1973. Definitely buried in a York Cemetery in Ontario, Canada. Not entirely clear if it was Toronto's York Cemetery or a different one.

Alfred Laurie. Born October 22 or 2 1895. Unsure of date of death. Discharged in 1919.

Note: Alfred Laurie's CGWP profile links to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission page of George Digby Godfrey. Also links to blank page on Canadian Virtual War Memorial and Alfred Laurie cannot be found when searching the site. Unsure of when he died or where he was buried.

Cannot locate
Woods Church Cemetery, Cape Shediac, New Brunswick
Irvine Freeman Prince is buried here.

Worthing, England
Hubert (Maurice) Wade. Cannot find a cemetery in Worthing with a Hubert Wade buried there


Woodstock Cemetery, Ontario
Thomas Kelly is buried here. Which Woodstock Cemetery?

Permalink 01:28:57 pm, by Sarah, 1114 words, 135 views   English (CA)
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Interesting People Stories

Compiled to one blog post for easier searching.

Sergeant George Hilton Soles is the only Canadian to have ever been awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal three times.


Extra Source:

Major Leon Charles Eckenfelder owned a ranch in Alberta. The article linked on his profile claims that he was too old to serve in the Canadian Forces (he was 42 in 1914), but as a reservist in the French Army he was called to France where he was made a Knight of the Legion of Honour and won the Croix de Guerre twice.


Harry Adolph Cochran from Saskatchewan was decorated by the Germans while a POW. He was awarded the Cross of Military Merit 3rd Class from Bavaria for saving a young German girl from drowning.

Extra source:

Private Percy Peacock enlisted in 1915 at the age of 16. He enlisted again in the Second World War and was killed in action February 21 1945.

George William Holmes' name is spelled several different ways throughout his service file.
Geo Will Holmes
George Wm Holmes
George Wil Holmes
Holmes, George W
George L Holmes
Holmes G.W. (corrected from Holmes W.g.)

Albert Joseph Hoare
has multiple attestation papers and lists a different occupation on each one.

He first enlisted in Edmonton in November 1914 at the age of 43 (born February 25, 1871) and indicated that he was a Decorator. He also indicated no previous military service.

Hospital records indicate that in 1915 Hoare was diagnosed with both a femoral hernia (the result of being thrown from a horse in England) and hemorrhoids.

He enlisted in Calgary in April 1916. This time he makes himself 2 years younger by listing his birth date as February 25 1873. He also changes his occupation to Paper hanger, and lists previous military service, specifically 2 years with the 48th Northhamptonshire Regiment and 1 year 4 months with the 31st Overseas Battalion of the CEF.

He was discharged in February 1917

He enlisted again in January of 1918 again in Calgary. This time he notes that he was cook, and indicates previous service with the 31st Overseas Battalion of the CEF. He notes that he had been discharged from the military due to the Age Limit, and makes himself a year older this time around by listing his birth date as February 25, 1872.

Montagu Allan enlisted at the age of 55. According to his CGWP he survived the war but lost a son and two daughters during the war. (His two daughters in the sinking of the Lusitania).

Bugler Reuben Rosenfield enlisted at age 10 on March 2 1916 (and listed his birth date as April 24th 1905). 4'6. He was discharged for being underage on March 11 1916.

According to his CGWP profile Private John William Boucher was the oldest soldier in the CEF. He enlisted at the age if 78 in 1915, although his attestation papers list his DOB as 1867 not 1836. Notes suggest that he was also a veteran of the American Civil War. Although his attestation papers give his apparent age as 48 when he was declared fit for Canadian Over-Seas Expeditionary Force following a medical examination in January of 1917, a proceedings of medical board document from December 1917 list Boucher's age as 73. He was recommended for discharge in February 1918 with his “Present disease or disability” listed as overage and myalgia. The document notes that Boucher identified himself as being 73 years old and having having aching pains in knees, difficult walking as well as pains in both knee joints, his back and his right hand.

Pioneer Joseph Watson Taylor's (154039) has a CGWP profile that has been added to by a family member. Of note is an anecdote (Newspaper clipping: that Taylor was wounded in the Battle of Colenso during the Boer War and pronounced dead, but later rejoined his regiment (not dead). Article claims he enlisted as a private in Great War rather than wait for a commission. He was invalided home during WWI.

Captain Antoine Philippe (listed in LAC as PHILLIPPE, ANTOINE GASTON BRAGANZA) was the Prince of Orleans and Braganza. A former aide de camp to Brig-General Seely, Commander of the Canadian Cavalry Brigade, Captain Philippe was killed November 29 1918 in a plane crash (source needed) and buried in the Dreux Royal Chapel in France.

What was a French prince, the son of Prince Gaston of Bourbon-Orleans of Chateau D'Eu, Normandy, France, doing in the Canadian Military during World War I? He was prevented from joining the French forces by an old law that did not permit members of the deposed French Royal Family to serve in the military.

Private Thomas Forbes McLellan (428231) enlisted in the Canadian Military four times between March 1915 and October 1918. Unfortunately, aside from one reference to an earlier discharge due to a shrapnel wound to the head, the records do not indicate why McLellan had to enlist so frequently.

His first set of attestation papers are from March 22 1915. His medical examination took place in New Westminster, B.C. He indicates that he's currently active in the 72nd LH or SH. Both his current and his next of kin's (his wife Sarah's) address are in Glasgow, Scotland. I understand it can be incredible difficult to track down British records from WWI as over half of the documents were destroyed during bombing raids during the Second World War, but I am curious if Private McLellan served or tried to serve in the British forces in WWI before switching to Canada, and why did he opt to join the Canadian Forces?

His next set of attestation papers from April 5 1917 only notes previous service with the Highland Light Infantry in Glasglow. His attestation papers indicate that he was never discharged as medically unfit or rejected from service in the forces. (I wonder how long McLellan's initial commitment was and if that explains the second set of attestation papers?)

Private McLellan's third set of attestation papers are dated June 15 1918. He was living at a hotel in Regina at the time, which is where he enlisted. They list him as being Fit (A2).

His final set of attestation papers from October 1918 notes that he had served for 38 months with the 7th Overseas Battalion before being medically discharged due to shrapnel wounds to the head. He was once again declared medically fit, although the records do note 3 scars on the left side of his scalp.

On a side note, Private McLellan's height changes with each enlistment. In March of 1915 he's 5'5 1/4, in April 1917 he's down to 5'4 1/2, but in June of 1918 he's up to 5'6, before dropping back down to 5'5 3/4 in October 1918.


Permalink 02:57:39 pm, by Sarah, 277 words, 72 views   English (CA)
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Cemeteries to be added to Canonical

Zion Evangelical United Church Cemetery Pembroke
Pembroke, Ontario, Canada

York Cemetery
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Yamachiche Roman Catholic Cemetery
Quebec, Canada

Mount Carmel Cemetery
Wyandotte, Michigan, USA
(John Johnston: Buried at Wyndotte, Michigan)

Woodlawn Cemetery
West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida, USA

Woodstock Anglican Cemetery

Ontario, Canada (on CGWP but under WWII, Hugh Lyon Polson served in WWI and WWII and died in the latter)

West Palm Beach (Woodlawn) Cemetery
West Palm Beach, Florida, USA

Kitchener (Woodland) Cemetery

Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

Botha (Woodland) Cemetery

Botha, Alberta, Canada

Wilmot Cemetery (aka Union Church Cemetery)
Wilmot, Nova Scotia, Canada

Whitman Cemetery
Lawrencetown, Nova Scotia, Canada

White Brick Cemetery
Hamilton (Or Ancater Township), Hamilton, Ontario

White Chapel Memory Gardens
DeWitt, New York, USA

Forest Lawn Memorial Park

Vancouver (Burnaby??), British Columbia, Canada

Westlawn Memorial Gardens

Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Westlawn Cemetery

Cranbrook, British Columbia, Canada

West Ham Cemetery

London, England, United Kingdom

Evergreen Hall United Baptist Cemetery
West Paradise, Nova Scotia, Canada (Community vs City?)

West Coast Crematorium
Burnaby, B.C., Canada

West Brooklyn Cemetery
West Brooklyn, Nova Scotia, Canada

Apple River Cemetery

Apple River, Nova Scotia, Canada

Wesley Methodist Church Cemetery
Zorra, Ontario, Canada

Wembley Saskatoon Lake Cemetery, Alberta
Wembley, Alberta, Canada

Waverley Memorial Gardens
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Watson Cemetery
Truro, Nova Scotia, Canada

Waldeck West Cemetery
Waldeck West, Nova Scotia, Canada

Wainwright Public Cemetery
Wainwright, Alberta, Canada

Victory Memorial Park
Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

Victoria Memorial Gardens
Windsor, Ontario, Canada

Victoria Square United Church Cemetery
Markham, Ontario, Canada
(Victoria Cemetery – Markham, Ontario)

Royal Oak Burial Park
Victoria, BC, Canada

District of Vanderhoof Cemetery
Vanderhoof, B.C.

Valley View Memorial Gardens
Surrey, B.C.

Valhalla Cemetery,
St. Louis, Missouri, USA

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